[MD] Dawkins a Materialist (is watching?)

[Micah]

Ron,

How can you show objective reality is primary, objectively - without humans?

Micah

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[Micah]
Ron,

I see where you, Case, and Platt misinterpret me. "Objective reality"
doesn't mean reality is primary. Objective has a different meaning than
primary. Not only do they have different meanings, they're spelled
different. Now there is no "objective" way to show reality is primary,
we would need to be present to prove it is primary, which is a
contradiction.

Reality is objective - not in my head, it however is not primary...I
could go on or you could read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
by Robert Pirsig. I am just restating what he said at his breakdown or
breakthrough on "quality". You know Plato, Aristotle and the horns of a
dilemma.

A forum on Pirsig filled with people that don't understand Pirsig. Cool!

Micah

[x]
Micah,
Plain and simple, objective reality must be primary or we could not
discuss Pirsig.




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