[MD] Dawkins a Materialist (is watching?)

Mon Mar 19 09:18:06 PDT 2007

Micah,
The very fact that we can converse and have a difference of opinion 
Over a commonly held perception of reality lead me to believe that it
Is primary. The fact that we commonly learn from extra sensory input 
lead me to believe That objective reality is primary.
That is why I say that you and I read the same book seperatly and felt
Differently about it means that pirsigs book is primary, our perception
of
It is secondary. I believe we would be unable to communicate if
subjective 
reality were primary.
 Ham and I have been wanting to get you in
On this for it is tough to pin down, I recently came to the conclusion
that
The value between subjective and objective is what is primary, that
neither can
Claim itself absolute, for when you try it becomes meaningless and
filled with
Logic traps and paradox.
You may have an axe to grind with me, but I was sincerely trying to get
to
The heart of this. 
-x

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Ron,

How can you show objective reality is primary, objectively - without
humans?

Micah

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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of Ron Kulp
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:38 AM
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[Micah]
Ron,

I see where you, Case, and Platt misinterpret me. "Objective reality"
doesn't mean reality is primary. Objective has a different meaning than
primary. Not only do they have different meanings, they're spelled
different. Now there is no "objective" way to show reality is primary,
we would need to be present to prove it is primary, which is a
contradiction.

Reality is objective - not in my head, it however is not primary...I
could go on or you could read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
by Robert Pirsig. I am just restating what he said at his breakdown or
breakthrough on "quality". You know Plato, Aristotle and the horns of a
dilemma.

A forum on Pirsig filled with people that don't understand Pirsig. Cool!

Micah

[x]
Micah,
Plain and simple, objective reality must be primary or we could not
discuss Pirsig.

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