[MD] What's missing

[Ron Kulp]

[Bo]
 Well, this is the ecumenical mantra. In a way it resembles the MOQ
tenet of a Quality remaining undivided by the DQ/SQ split. 
I don't buy it, the Dynamic/Static divide IS the MOQ. There is no "god"
outside Allah or Javeh or God. 

Amen 

[Ron]
It's the value between the split, not the split itself. The value or the
average between the two.
The split is a third entity the whole is happening. 
Call it Quality call it God call it shit but that's what it is about,
every last bit and that's 
Where the fingers are pointing to. this is where the levels begin. You
can not build a structure without
A starting point. All starting points are an assumed absolute.

MOQ say: the more variations on perspective
            the more accurate the perception .


All good medicine.


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Ron and All.

On 21 Mar. you said:

> [Ron]
> I think from the evidence I've found, that Jesus was created in the 
> first century by greeks A neoplatonic  analogy of the perfect form of 
> man. I feel christianity was created by neoplatonic
Philosophers, but that's another thread.

That the Christ was created by the "Christians" is plain. And that the
later official Christendom was influenced by Greek ideas and that
Aristotle became a Church authority is also well known. But my point is
what the actual person Jesus (or Joshua) was "up to" 
in his day, and it would be a miracle if not the first stirrings of the
said ideas (intellect or SOM) had reached the various Roman provinces. 

The Romans weren't exactly leading edge re. human rights yet we see the
outline of modernity in their rule. The law had become an "objective"
realm, no longer fetched from divine revelations as is the core of the
"social" reality of the Semitic cultures. So I still maintain that Jesus
had picked up the vibrations of the "intellectual" times to come. This
could not be tolerated by the High Priests who used his (Jesus') talk
about "new kingdom"... etc
- that the Romans perceived as political - to have them execute 
him by proxy.         

> Islam united the pagan tribes of Arabia under mercy. Mohomad 
> demonstrated mercy to his enemies promoting unity and equality through

> the mercy of one god.

Islamic mercy regarding people that bows under their yoke is well known.
No sarcasm. Life INSIDE that culture may be very benign, one may at
times envy their Sharia law when it comes to our lenient treatment of
criminals, but it's intellectually stagnant 
(see my "history class" talk to Platt).   

> Christianity is not without it's terrorism, was'nt long ago Belfast 
> was a war zone and london Being bombed. I feel it is a cultural clash 
> not religeous but our religeons are so tied to our culture that It 
> becomes difficult to distinguish between the two.

You just say it, the North Ireland Catholics vs Protestant was/is NOT a
religious conflict. And compared to Al Qaida the IRA terror was almost
endearing, warning in beforehand as not to kill innocent bystanders. So
was the Basque ETA and I guess both gave up as a result of the new
Islamist terror that displayed unbound cruelty. 

As I see it Western intellectual civilization has just managed to
distance the outer objective world from the inner subjective one and
disarmed the religions by this split, becoming a mere "faith" 
and saving of "souls", a distinction unknown to the Islam mind-set where
the martyrs are supposed to end up in Paradise with every corporeal
lusts satisfied. One sees the relationship with the mythologies of old.


> Ideally, the Bible
> the Quran and the Torah All are about the same god they all say 
> basically the same thing, it's the accepted cultural Terminology and 
> values that are clashing.

Well, this is the ecumenical mantra. In a way it resembles the MOQ tenet
of a Quality remaining undivided by the DQ/SQ split. 
I don't buy it, the Dynamic/Static divide IS the MOQ. There is no "god"
outside Allah or Javeh or God. 

Amen 

Bo




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