[MD] What's missing

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Ron and All.

On 21 Mar. you said:

> [Ron]
> I think from the evidence I've found, that Jesus was created in the
> first century by greeks A neoplatonic  analogy of the perfect form of
> man. I feel christianity was created by neoplatonic 
Philosophers, but that's another thread.

That the Christ was created by the "Christians" is plain. And that 
the later official Christendom was influenced by Greek ideas and 
that Aristotle became a Church authority is also well known. But 
my point is what the actual person Jesus (or Joshua) was "up to" 
in his day, and it would be a miracle if not the first stirrings of the 
said ideas (intellect or SOM) had reached the various Roman 
provinces. 

The Romans weren't exactly leading edge re. human rights yet 
we see the outline of modernity in their rule. The law had become 
an "objective" realm, no longer fetched from divine revelations as 
is the core of the "social" reality of the Semitic cultures. So I still 
maintain that Jesus had picked up the vibrations of the 
"intellectual" times to come. This could not be tolerated by the 
High Priests who used his (Jesus') talk about "new kingdom"... etc 
- that the Romans perceived as political - to have them execute 
him by proxy.         

> Islam united the pagan tribes of Arabia under
> mercy. Mohomad demonstrated mercy to his enemies promoting unity and
> equality through the mercy of one god.

Islamic mercy regarding people that bows under their yoke is well 
known. No sarcasm. Life INSIDE that culture may be very 
benign, one may at times envy their Sharia law when it comes to 
our lenient treatment of criminals, but it's intellectually stagnant 
(see my "history class" talk to Platt).   

> Christianity is not without it's terrorism, was'nt long ago Belfast
> was a war zone and london Being bombed. I feel it is a cultural clash
> not religeous but our religeons are so tied to our culture that It
> becomes difficult to distinguish between the two. 

You just say it, the North Ireland Catholics vs Protestant was/is 
NOT a religious conflict. And compared to Al Qaida the IRA terror 
was almost endearing, warning in beforehand as not to kill 
innocent bystanders. So was the Basque ETA and I guess both 
gave up as a result of the new Islamist terror that displayed 
unbound cruelty. 

As I see it Western intellectual civilization has just managed to 
distance the outer objective world from the inner subjective one 
and disarmed the religions by this split, becoming a mere "faith" 
and saving of "souls", a distinction unknown to the Islam mind-set 
where the martyrs are supposed to end up in Paradise with every 
corporeal lusts satisfied. One sees the relationship with the 
mythologies of old.  

> Ideally, the Bible
> the Quran and the Torah All are about the same god they all say
> basically the same thing, it's the accepted cultural Terminology and
> values that are clashing. 

Well, this is the ecumenical mantra. In a way it resembles the 
MOQ tenet of a Quality remaining undivided by the DQ/SQ split. 
I don't buy it, the Dynamic/Static divide IS the MOQ. There is no 
"god" outside Allah or Javeh or God. 

Amen 

Bo