[MD] Clouds

Thu Mar 22 09:52:19 PDT 2007

Hi Micah

Your response is good up to the "proving something does, is" line, can you provide me with an example?

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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of Micah
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> Subject: Re: [MD] Clouds
> 
> 
> Jos,
> 
> Your starting assumption of "AOI" existing rests on the 
> premise of "I".
> 
> "AOI" cannot exist without first having "I" - removing "I" 
> therefore removes
> the possibility of "AOI" existing (notice the "I" in "AOI"). 
> Further "AOI"
> is non-thing.
> 
> Proving something doesn't exist is not possible; proving 
> something does,
> is - you are asking me to prove nothing.
> 
> 
> Micah
> 
> 
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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of Laycock, 
> Jos (OSPT)
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:31 AM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] Clouds
> 
> 
> An honest attempt thus follows:
> 
> If we remove the theoretical "I" from an equation it seems a 
> reasonable
> assumption that the result will be "absence of I". This 
> absent state can
> then be regarded as an entity (AOI).
> With the starting assumption that AOI exists I can then require the
> questioner to prove its non existence, rather than the other 
> way around.
> 
> Micah, please prove that my non-existence does not exist in 
> absence of my
> existence?
> 
> Clearly this AOI is an example of a "thing" that exists 
> independently of me
> and will be present after my death, better than that it is 
> actively "proved"
> by my non-existence - the deader I am the more strongly the 
> case is made.
> 
> Jos
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Sent: 19 March 2007 16:14
> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > Subject: Re: [MD] Clouds
> >
> >
> > Case,
> >
> > Will you at least answer the question? Or are you a Solipsist?
> >
> > Micah
> >
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> > [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of Case
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:11 AM
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> > Subject: Re: [MD] Clouds
> >
> >
> > [Micah]
> > "I" can't prove anything without "I", can you? I can't prove
> > anything after
> > death, can you?
> >
> > [Case]
> > That is as good a statement of solipsism as I have heard 
> yet. Thanks.
> >
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