[MD] What's missing

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Marsha.

3/28 Marsha wrote:

> Magnus and Bo,
> It seems you have been discussing 'pointing at the moon' versus the
> 'the Moon'.  The MOQ as Intellectual ideas is the 'pointing to the
> moon'.  The Moon is a place where the rules of intellect are left
> behind.  Where a dualistic language is left behind.

I know from later posts that you two have found each other 
"under the moon" ;-) although I don't fully grasp how it disproves 
the SOL interpretation. Is it that "moon" is a concept and the light 
in the sky is "objective"?  If so you are stuck in intellect's S/O 
(concept/object) trying to escape it while simultaneously 
accepting its premises. AKA "mysticism". 

Look, the said "light in the sky" has undergone fundamental 
shifts, from ancient time (social age in our lingo) when the 
Ancients regarded it a god or goddess and had no discussions 
about any difference between its god-quality and the its sense-
quality. Only with the intellectual level did the the said 
phenomenon become an object and the name a concept.         

So you see its not language which is dualistic - the said Ancients 
surely had language - it's the intellectual LEVEL which imposes 
its dualism on language - and all existence.  
 
> I have reconciled this by thinking of the MOQ levels as a triangle or
> pyramid.  The mystic portion of the MOQ being the point and leading
> edge in the Intellectual Level cutting into the future towards
> freedom.   It's a visual that works for me.

No bad model, but in that case the leading point has moved so 
far ahead that it can see the rest of the pyramid - including 
intellect as an edifice made up of static layers. I simply can't 
accept that a subset of the MOQ (the 4th static level) contains 
the MOQ. 

But I know only too well what causes it, namely intellect - to you 
all - is MIND, the realm of thinking. After the MOQ has rejected it 
mind goes as strong as ever, and nothing I say makes the 
slightest dent in the intellect=mind notion. 

 
> Bo, speak to me of the MOQ using the language of the Moon.  I've asked
> you a few times.  Speak to me of the MOQ using a form of communication
> that is above the Intellectual Level.

Right, I have done so. Language is the "form of communication" 
that served the mythological reality, the SOM reality and now the 
Quality Reality which transforms the said realities into its own 
social and intellectual levels.    

> Or am I missing both your points.

Obviously my point. 

IMO

Bo