[MD] subject/object: pragmatism

[Ron Kulp]

I think this fits, surely some will disagree but let me put it out
there:

Intellectual is the VALUE of the individual to the social/cultural.
The reason why intellectual is so wily to pin down is because
It introduces the value of the individual to their culture.
In the levels we transform from collective generalizations to 
The relationship of specific Individual experience to the whole.
The value being based on the contributing factor.
Based on this, MOQ becomes a high value contribution to the social
Level and it is this which defines it's intellectual pattern.

Its intellectual pattern stresses this point. And might make it
The highest value of intellectual patterns.

Thoughts?



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And Ron, bringing in Peter's point (from Bo) ...

... is that the S/O distinction is itself a distinction of intellect
over social. What I  have inlcuded as "self-aware reasoning" would be
seen as more intellectual than just intelligent .... Some intelligent
things communicate symbolically, linguistically, without any signs of
self-conscious reflective reasoning.

I should work that into my summary.


Ian,
Good points, I was meaning more along the lines of not individual v.s.
The collective so much as what the individual experience brings to
The social/cultural table. Intellectual would be what the
Individual contributes to the society/culture.

And like you said "freedom of expression" plays an important role
In relation to cultural/social acceptance of individual expression
Which in turn becomes a factor in the evolution of said social/culture.
Pirsigs latching metaphor comes to mind.

-Ron
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