[MD] Value and the Individual
Heather Perella
spiritualadirondack at yahoo.com
Wed Apr 16 12:10:54 PDT 2008
Platt,
Is this what the Conservatives really believe deep
down inside? This is a bit much, don't you think, to
equate this way.
SA
> [Platt]
> Thus we had the deliberate starvation of millions
> under Stalin, the
> Holocaust under Hitler, and terrorist killings under
> Bin Laden to
> name but a few of the horrors perpetrated in the
> name of the "public good."
>
> [Arlo]
> OMFG! Those who believe in public education are not
> only equated with
> the "deliberate starvation of millions" but with
> those who flew the
> planes into the Twin Towers!?! My God! All these
> murderous,
> villainous, evil terrorist, commie, Stalinists who
> want "public
> education" (and fair wages, and workplace safety,
> and pollution
> regulations) must be stopped before their secret
> agenda of genocide
> and terrorism can be realized!
>
> Commie Pig Dog: Public education best serves the
> community.
>
> Noble Neocon Hero: Genocidal terrorist!
>
> Commie Pig Dog: No, really, a public education
> guarantees access to a
> quality education for all citizens, regardless of
> wealth.
>
> Noble Neocon Hero: What you really want is for the
> rich to be tossed
> into gulags and the poor to slaves to government.
>
> Commie Pig Dog: It is in everyone's interest to have
> an informed and
> educated citizenry, for reasons touching on
> citizenship duties like
> voting to meeting labor needs, to ensuring that the
> greatest number
> are given the ability to realize their potential.
>
> Noble Neocon Hero: Ah, so you admit you favor the
> mass graves of
> Stalin and the killing fields of Pol Pot as the way
> America should be!
>
> And that's pretty much a sum of the dialogue.
>
> I'm sorry, Craig, but having Platt come out in
> support of you like
> this must make you feel like you need a hot shower.
>
> [Platt]
> Unfortunately, the lessons of history are lost on
> many of today's
> young. Government schools have indoctrinated them
> into believing that
> government is beneficent and exists only to "help"
> while private
> corporations engaged in producing goods and services
> that actually
> improve the quality of life are evil profiteers. The
> tragedy is that
> so many believe the propaganda.
>
> [Arlo]
> If "many of today's young" believe this, it is not
> because of
> "guvermint" indoctrination, but because they
> listened to the stories
> their grandparent's told, or read first hand
> historical accounts of
> the maladies associated with the unregulated market
> of the 1890's.
>
> The real tragedy is the Raygun propaganda that
> proclaims the
> "guvermint" to the enemy. No wonder America is so
> schizophrenic, if
> the government is "we the people" and the government
> is "the big evil
> that wants to enslave liberty lovin' individuals",
> then we have a
> huge crisis of identity.
>
> Again, the social mandate of regulation enacted by
> THE PEOPLE on the
> markets was not the result of some evil, outside
> agency coming in and
> ruining it for all the happy people, but the direct
> result of the low
> quality life they experienced. If people were happy
> with the Chicago
> River being a festering soup of coagulated blood,
> they would not have
> demanded pollution regulations. If people wanted
> toxic chemicals
> dumped near their communities, the EPA would never
> have been formed.
>
> And, if the citizenry was happy with the stratified
> and unequal
> educational opportunities preceding "public
> education", they never
> would have demanded it. And this underscores a more
> important point.
> The success or failure of any school, public or
> private, rests on the
> VALUE those involved place on education. And from
> that value they
> know why there are there, they know why they are
> involved, and they
> CARE. When this happens on the community level, as
> it has in Finland
> and Japan, public education is fully successful.
>
> But hey, that's a mute point for those who equate
> the public funding
> of education with the mass murders of Stalin and the
> terrorist
> bombings of the Twin Towers.
>
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