[MD] Value and the Individual

[pholden at davtv.com]

Quoting Heather Perella <spiritualadirondack at yahoo.com>:

> Platt,
> 
>     Is this what the Conservatives really believe deep
> down inside?  This is a bit much, don't you think, to
> equate this way.
 
SA,

The "equation" which predictably Arlo distorts is the nature of government --
handcuffs and guns -- regardless of any justification for interfering
in our lives. Government, a social level institution, is necessary to protect
us from the biological forces of social destruction, such as those who steal or
destroy people or property. Other than that, government force must be held
in constant vigilance lest it become not a servant of Dynamic liberty, but as has
happened so often in history, it's destroyer.

Platt
     
 
> 
> 
> > [Platt]
> > Thus we had the deliberate starvation of millions
> > under Stalin, the 
> > Holocaust under Hitler, and terrorist killings under
> > Bin Laden to 
> > name but a few of the horrors perpetrated in the
> > name of the "public good."
> > 
> > [Arlo]
> > OMFG! Those who believe in public education are not
> > only equated with 
> > the "deliberate starvation of millions" but with
> > those who flew the 
> > planes into the Twin Towers!?! My God! All these
> > murderous, 
> > villainous, evil terrorist, commie, Stalinists who
> > want "public 
> > education" (and fair wages, and workplace safety,
> > and pollution 
> > regulations) must be stopped before their secret
> > agenda of genocide 
> > and terrorism can be realized!
> > 
> > Commie Pig Dog: Public education best serves the
> > community.
> > 
> > Noble Neocon Hero: Genocidal terrorist!
> > 
> > Commie Pig Dog: No, really, a public education
> > guarantees access to a 
> > quality education for all citizens, regardless of
> > wealth.
> > 
> > Noble Neocon Hero: What you really want is for the
> > rich to be tossed 
> > into gulags and the poor to slaves to government.
> > 
> > Commie Pig Dog: It is in everyone's interest to have
> > an informed and 
> > educated citizenry, for reasons touching on
> > citizenship duties like 
> > voting to meeting labor needs, to ensuring that the
> > greatest number 
> > are given the ability to realize their potential.
> > 
> > Noble Neocon Hero: Ah, so you admit you favor the
> > mass graves of 
> > Stalin and the killing fields of Pol Pot as the way
> > America should be!
> > 
> > And that's pretty much a sum of the dialogue.
> > 
> > I'm sorry, Craig, but having Platt come out in
> > support of you like 
> > this must make you feel like you need a hot shower.
> > 
> > [Platt]
> > Unfortunately, the lessons of history are lost on
> > many of today's 
> > young. Government schools have indoctrinated them
> > into believing that 
> > government is beneficent and exists only to "help"
> > while private 
> > corporations engaged in producing goods and services
> > that actually 
> > improve the quality of life are evil profiteers. The
> > tragedy is that 
> > so many believe the propaganda.
> > 
> > [Arlo]
> > If "many of today's young" believe this, it is not
> > because of 
> > "guvermint" indoctrination, but because they
> > listened to the stories 
> > their grandparent's told, or read first hand
> > historical accounts of 
> > the maladies associated with the unregulated market
> > of the 1890's.
> > 
> > The real tragedy is the Raygun propaganda that
> > proclaims the 
> > "guvermint" to the enemy. No wonder America is so
> > schizophrenic, if 
> > the government is "we the people" and the government
> > is "the big evil 
> > that wants to enslave liberty lovin' individuals",
> > then we have a 
> > huge crisis of identity.
> > 
> > Again, the social mandate of regulation enacted by
> > THE PEOPLE on the 
> > markets was not the result of some evil, outside
> > agency coming in and 
> > ruining it for all the happy people, but the direct
> > result of the low 
> > quality life they experienced. If people were happy
> > with the Chicago 
> > River being a festering soup of coagulated blood,
> > they would not have 
> > demanded pollution regulations. If people wanted
> > toxic chemicals 
> > dumped near their communities, the EPA would never
> > have been formed.
> > 
> > And, if the citizenry was happy with the stratified
> > and unequal 
> > educational opportunities preceding "public
> > education", they never 
> > would have demanded it. And this underscores a more
> > important point. 
> > The success or failure of any school, public or
> > private, rests on the 
> > VALUE those involved place on education. And from
> > that value they 
> > know why there are there, they know why they are
> > involved, and they 
> > CARE. When this happens on the community level, as
> > it has in Finland 
> > and Japan, public education is fully successful.
> > 
> > But hey, that's a mute point for those who equate
> > the public funding 
> > of education with the mass murders of Stalin and the
> > terrorist 
> > bombings of the Twin Towers.
> > 
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