[MD] Value and the Individual

[Platt Holden]

> [Platt]
> Yes we all know you love to ride naked on your motorcycle while disturbing
> the peace. Such a real, upstanding citizen. 
> 
> [Arlo]
> I thought the MOQ was all about Dynamic Liberty? Why do you think its okay
> to use the guns and handcuffs of government to force others to conform to
> your statist policies?

Dynamic liberty doesn't mean you have the right to disturb the peace at 
will. Why do you suppose cars are required to muffle their motors? 

> Seriously. If the "only legitimate role of government" is to protect society
> from "biological forces" that would destroy it, how do you legitmately call
> to government to ban my freedom to ride a louder bike?

Peace and quiet is required for full functioning of intellectual values. Of 
all people, you ought to recognize and respect this. Otherwise, why not 
allow libraries to broadcast Nascar races over giant TVs in reading rooms? 

> And, on what MOQ basis do you forbid women from voluntarily choosing to go
> topless in public places but allow men to do the same? Why would you choose
> to use the police to force a woman to conceal her breasts? (I'm glad you
> brought this up again, I have the unanswered questions from last time...)

"Things like sex and booze and drugs and- tobacco have a high biological 
quality, that is, they feel good, but are harmful for social reasons. They 
take all your money. They break up your family . They threaten the 
stability of the community." (Lila, 13)

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> [Platt]
> Typical liberal exaggerated anecdotal fear-mongering. 
> 
> [Arlo]
> Tell that to the mine widows of Hawk's Nest or the miners left dead on the
> steps of their shacks that recounting their stories is "fear mongering". I
> call it simply listening to people who've been there.

Whatever. Everyone recounts "horror" stories to support their agendas,. Al 
Gore being the current king of that particular rhetorical tactic.  

> [Platt]
> No. The discussion is about the nature and proper role of government to
> ensure a Dynamic free market society. 
> 
> [Arlo]
> So you do equate Finland and Japan with "Nazi Germany" and "Stalinist
> Russia" for providing public education? 

No. I equate government schools with the fundamental nature of government
 -- handcuffs and guns.  Because of its opposition to Dynamic freedom and 
demand for social conformity, its functions require eternal vigilance. 

> [Platt]
> Your liberal agenda of social regulations is not everyone's although you
> think anyone who disagrees with it is stupid neocon social Darwinian
> fascist.  
> 
> [Arlo]
> No more or no less than you think that anyone who disagrees with you is a
> deceitful liberal commie Marxist fascist.

So there you go.

> Question. Tell me where you disagree with the concept of Social Darwinism?
> 
> PS: If you respond only with your expected "Tell me where you disagree with
> Marxism", I will point you now to the archives, as I've answered that
> several times already...

Please define what you mean by Social Darwinism and why you find the 
concept objectionable when evolution is considered by many intellectuals to 
explain much of human behavior including our moral sense.