[MD] Dynamic Development at all costs?
pholden at davtv.com
pholden at davtv.com
Wed Apr 23 12:54:30 PDT 2008
Quoting Magnus Berg <McMagnus at home.se>:
> Platt
>
> pholden at davtv.com wrote:
> > Money is simply a medium of exchange between my work and your work. Goods and
> > services don't fall from heaven. They require human effort.
>
> Yes, but how does that prove that money is *not* the sole goal of the free
> market?
How do you prove that it is?
> > Ah yes, the Robinson Crusoe pattern. Seems we've discussed this at length
> before.
> > As I remember, most agreed he wouldn't survive without having a background
> > provided by culture, such as language (to have thoughts) and an understanding of
> tools.
>
> Mumbo jumbo if you ask me. That's not real dependency, it's just a very loose
> connection. Real dependency is for example an animal's dependency on its
> inorganic matter. If that matter was suddenly converted into energy, the animal
> would die. *That's* the kind of dependency I look for between the levels. If
> it's not there, it's simply not patterns of interdependent levels.
I see it as real dependency. Take away society and you get wolfboy.
> >>> I'm promoting individual freedom within a social structure that keeps
> >>> biological forces of destruction at bay. Incidentally, Pirsig reserves
> >>> "society" as he uses the term to human society.
> >> One of his mistakes, as I've tried to show in this thread.
> >
> > I demure.
>
> I'm sure you do, but it's a poor substitute for a verbal argument, especially on
> a mailing list.
Not only I demure but so does Pirsig with whom I agree. Do you want to hear his
arguments again?
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