[MD] Dynamic Development at all costs?

[Magnus Berg]

Hi Platt

pholden at davtv.com wrote:
>>> Money is simply a medium of exchange between my work and your work. Goods and
>>> services don't fall from heaven. They require human effort. 
>> Yes, but how does that prove that money is *not* the sole goal of the free
>> market?
> 
> How do you prove that it is?

That's easy. Just remove it and see what happens. (And don't do the same mistake 
Craig did. He just replaced it with something else. You must really imagine a 
world without it.)

>>> Ah yes, the Robinson Crusoe pattern. Seems we've discussed this at length
>> before.
>>> As I remember, most agreed he wouldn't survive without having a background 
>>> provided by culture, such as language (to have thoughts) and an understanding of
>> tools. 
>>
>> Mumbo jumbo if you ask me. That's not real dependency, it's just a very loose 
>> connection. Real dependency is for example an animal's dependency on its 
>> inorganic matter. If that matter was suddenly converted into energy, the animal 
>> would die. *That's* the kind of dependency I look for between the levels. If 
>> it's not there, it's simply not patterns of interdependent levels.
> 
> I see it as real dependency. Take away society and you get wolfboy.  

How do explain that the wolfboy "experiment" doesn't work the other way around? 
By the same reasoning, shouldn't a wolf (or each and every dog for that matter) 
go to school and get a job if it lived in a human society?


>>>>> I'm promoting individual freedom within a social structure that keeps 
>>>>> biological forces of destruction at bay. Incidentally, Pirsig reserves 
>>>>> "society" as he uses the term to human society.
>>>> One of his mistakes, as I've tried to show in this thread.
>>> I demure. 
>> I'm sure you do, but it's a poor substitute for a verbal argument, especially on
>> a mailing list.
> 
> Not only I demure but so does Pirsig with whom I agree. Do you want to hear his
> arguments again?

I've already rebutted your first, but keep'em coming if you have more. And I 
wouldn't really say you "agree" with Pirsig, you just agree with some of his 
quotes out of context. And as I said to SA, it seems I trust my interpretation 
of the MoQ more than Pirsig does, so I'm sure I can do the same with anything 
you can come up with.

	Magnus