[MD] Dynamic Development at all costs?

[pholden at davtv.com]

Quoting Magnus Berg <McMagnus at home.se>:

> Hi Platt
> 
> pholden at davtv.com wrote:
> >>> Money is simply a medium of exchange between my work and your work. Goods
> and
> >>> services don't fall from heaven. They require human effort. 
> >> Yes, but how does that prove that money is *not* the sole goal of the free
> >> market?
> > 
> > How do you prove that it is?
> 
> That's easy. Just remove it and see what happens. (And don't do the same mistake
> 
> Craig did. He just replaced it with something else. You must really imagine a 
> world without it.)

Hi Magnus, 

I can imagine a free market of bartering. No practical, but free. 

> >>> Ah yes, the Robinson Crusoe pattern. Seems we've discussed this at length
> >> before.
> >>> As I remember, most agreed he wouldn't survive without having a background 
> >>> provided by culture, such as language (to have thoughts) and an understanding
> of
> >> tools. 
> >>
> >> Mumbo jumbo if you ask me. That's not real dependency, it's just a very loose
> 
> >> connection. Real dependency is for example an animal's dependency on its 
> >> inorganic matter. If that matter was suddenly converted into energy, the animal
> 
> >> would die. *That's* the kind of dependency I look for between the levels. If 
> >> it's not there, it's simply not patterns of interdependent levels.
> > 
> > I see it as real dependency. Take away society and you get wolfboy.  
> 
> How do explain that the wolfboy "experiment" doesn't work the other way around? 
> By the same reasoning, shouldn't a wolf (or each and every dog for that matter) 
> go to school and get a job if it lived in a human society?

I don't think wolves have the capacity to speak, a skill sort of needed to
join human society. 

> >>>>> I'm promoting individual freedom within a social structure that keeps 
> >>>>> biological forces of destruction at bay. Incidentally, Pirsig reserves 
> >>>>> "society" as he uses the term to human society.
> >>>> One of his mistakes, as I've tried to show in this thread.
> >>> I demure. 
> >> I'm sure you do, but it's a poor substitute for a verbal argument, especially
> on
> >> a mailing list.
> > 
> > Not only I demure but so does Pirsig with whom I agree. Do you want to hear
> his
> > arguments again?
> 
> I've already rebutted your first, but keep'em coming if you have more. And I 
> wouldn't really say you "agree" with Pirsig, you just agree with some of his 
> quotes out of context. And as I said to SA, it seems I trust my interpretation 
> of the MoQ more than Pirsig does, so I'm sure I can do the same with anything 
> you can come up with.

If you can show where I've quoted Pirsig out of context to support a mistaken
interpretation of his view, please do so. 

Platt


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