[MD] A universe fit for MOQ not SOM

[David M]

Hi Bo
> 
> It's troubles definitely and they stems from it's metaphysics claim, 
> but it's equally important to keep its advantages, something the 
> SOL takes care of.   

yes it has its uses.

> 
>> Consciousness and materiality do not need to  be joined up because they
>> have never been apart in reality-experience until sundered apart by
>> SOM.
> 
> There were no consciousness (as different from what it is 
> conscious of) nor "materiality" before SOM, these are SOM's 
> creations. As said to (someone) you will not find these concepts 
> in the pre-intellectual documents (the Old Testament books 
> Pirsigs says) 

you're saying the same thing in different words


>> Hence Pirsig says that we cannot banish under MOQ ideas like molecules
>> chosing their bonds, ideas that SOM bans for its metaphysical reasons.
>> Seems to me too many people here want to proclaim the MOQ with one hand
>> and add back all the distinctions of SOM with the other. 
> 
> No need to be coy Roy,  I guess I'm the target here. 

No you're not

I admit to 
> proclaiming the MOQ with one hand and add back the S/O 
> distinctions with the other, but can't you get into your head the 
> difference between the S/O distinction as a static good and as a 
> metaphysical "evil"? 
>

I am entirely aware of this important distinction
hope that clarifies 

DM