[MD] the subjective

[Ian Glendinning]

Gav, David,

Gav says
subjects and objects exist only as abstractions from this stream

David says
... objectivity [is] a view from nowhere, therefore always a fiction,
but useful ...

Exactly both of you ... the actual experience is always an immediate
dynamic stream, the abstractions just things we can "pin down" whilst
we talk about them using traditional SOMist language and logic.

Talking of which ... hearing in colour anyone ?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7545888.stm
Ian

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:38 AM, gav <gav_gc at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> with respect ham i think you are overcomplicating things.
>
> parsimony has something to it you know...at least according to that ockham dude.
>
> 1. there is no 'before experience'; this would be a nonsense statement. (immediate) experience is t=0.
>
> 2. immediate experience is dynamic, a process, a flux....a stream. there are no objects or subjects in the stream.
>
> 3. subjects and objects exist only as abstractions from this stream.
>
> 4. this process of abstraction occurs at t>0 with respect to the part of the stream focussed on.
>
> cheers
> gav
>
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