[MD] the subjective

[MarshaV]

This is from MKK:

"What we are typically confronted with in nature is a vast network of
interdependent and continuous processes, and carving our particular
phenomenon for explanation depends more on our explanatory interests and
language than on joints nature presents to us."


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ian Glendinning" <ian.glendinning at gmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] the subjective


> Gav, David,
>
> Gav says
> subjects and objects exist only as abstractions from this stream
>
> David says
> ... objectivity [is] a view from nowhere, therefore always a fiction,
> but useful ...
>
> Exactly both of you ... the actual experience is always an immediate
> dynamic stream, the abstractions just things we can "pin down" whilst
> we talk about them using traditional SOMist language and logic.
>
> Talking of which ... hearing in colour anyone ?
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7545888.stm
> Ian
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:38 AM, gav <gav_gc at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> with respect ham i think you are overcomplicating things.
>>
>> parsimony has something to it you know...at least according to that
>> ockham dude.
>>
>> 1. there is no 'before experience'; this would be a nonsense statement.
>> (immediate) experience is t=0.
>>
>> 2. immediate experience is dynamic, a process, a flux....a stream. there
>> are no objects or subjects in the stream.
>>
>> 3. subjects and objects exist only as abstractions from this stream.
>>
>> 4. this process of abstraction occurs at t>0 with respect to the part of
>> the stream focussed on.
>>
>> cheers
>> gav
>>
>>
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