[MD] Social & Intellectual Levels

[MarshaV]

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From: "MarshaV" <marshalz at charter.net>
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Subject: Re: [MD] Social & Intellectual Levels


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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron Kulp" <RKulp at ebwalshinc.com>
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> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 2:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Social & Intellectual Levels
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>> Ron,
>>
>> The word 'inquiry' is an open, dynamic term, not at closed, static term.
>>
>> No subject or object implied.
>>
>> How would you define the type of patterns in the Intellectual Level?
>>
>> Ron:
>> I would describe it as the act of exceeding the highest social level
>> patterns within a culture. To develop personal values
>> through experience using the spirit of the highest social level values
>> as a guide.
>>
>> Per RMP, the highest social patterns are the beginning of the lowest
>> intellectual patterns.
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>
>
> Ron,
>
> As a function of the Intellectual Level, I can agree this would be a very 
> valuable one.
>
> Marsha
>

Greetings Ron,

Been thinking about the way you described the patterns of the Intellectual 
Level.  Arête.  Very heroic, but not very cutting edge.  Sounds like you are 
justifying your own decisions.  (Those old Greeks were into little boys, how 
honorable was that?   Women were housebound and gagged.  How wise was 
that? )  It's as SOM as can be.  Who is to attain all these wonderful 
personal values if not a self (subject)?

Getting beyond materialism is the most important step.  And that would be to 
get beyond materialism using analytic inquiry.  It would be nice to have 
enlightenment en Toto, but I doubt that is going to happen any time soon. 
Unless, of course, it occurs at our mass destruction.

I found Nagarjuna's logic impeccable.  My understanding isn't nearly as 
thorough as I'd like, but I knew from the first time I read it that here was 
the key to putting subjects and objects in their subordinate place.  And 
unless the ILLUSION of a s/o world is understood deeply, there will be no 
deep insight.   The clinging and acquiring will continue.

I'm assuming you've read Nagarjuna.  Have you?

Marsha