[MD] Social & Intellectual Levels

[Ron Kulp]

Marsha:
>>
>> How would you define the type of patterns in the Intellectual Level?


>> Ron:
>> I would describe it as the act of exceeding the highest social level
>> patterns within a culture. To develop personal values
>> through experience using the spirit of the highest social level values
>> as a guide.
>>
>> Per RMP, the highest social patterns are the beginning of the lowest
>> intellectual patterns.
>

Marsha:

Been thinking about the way you described the patterns of the Intellectual 
Level.  Arête.  Very heroic, but not very cutting edge.  Sounds like you are 
justifying your own decisions.  (Those old Greeks were into little boys, how 
honorable was that?   Women were housebound and gagged.  How wise was 
that? )  It's as SOM as can be.  Who is to attain all these wonderful 
personal values if not a self (subject)?

Ron:
To begin with, that description was meant generally speaking. To get specific and cite some low-level static patterns that were and are
practiced as examples of social ills is missing the point of the statement
I made, I said simply that the HIGHEST social patterns which are social
ideals of conduct are the BASE of intellectual thought. Social ideals
are the basis of intellectual patterns.

Some virtues (a virtue is a character trait or character quality valued as being good) recognized in various Western cultures of the world include:

acceptance 
altruism, 
appreciation 
attention, focus 
autonomy 
awareness 
balance 
beauty 
benevolence 
caring 
charity 
cleanliness 
commitment 
compassion 
confidence 
consciousness 
consideration 
contentment 
cooperativeness 
courage 
courteousness 
 creativity 
curiosity 
dependability 
discernment 
empathy 
encouragement 
endurance 
enthusiasm 
equality 
equanimity 
equity 
excellence 
fairness 
faith 
faithfulness, fidelity 
fitness 
flexibility 
foresight 
forgiveness 
fortitude, strength 
freedom 
friendliness 
 generosity 
gentleness 
happiness 
health, health-minded 
helpfulness 
honesty 
hospitality 
humility 
humor 
imagination 
impartiality 
independence 
integrity 
intuition 
inventiveness 
joyfulness 
justice 
kindness 
lovingness 
loyalty 
 mercy 
moderation 
modesty 
nonviolence 
nurturing 
openness 
patience 
peacefulness 
perseverance 
prudence 
purposefulness 
resilience 
respectfulness 
reverence 
restraint 
 self-awareness 
self-confidence 
self-discipline 
self-reliance 
self-respect 
sensitivity 
sharing 
sincerity 
sympathy 
tactfulness 
temperance 
thankfulness 
thoughtfulness 
tolerance 
trustworthiness 
truthfulness 
understanding 
unity 
unselfishness 
wisdom  

Nowhere did I see pedophilia or wife beating as a social level ideal in
Greek culture or our own but, that is not to say that it did not and does
not happen. They are low-level social patterns which are closer to the
biological level of patterns.

Marsha:
Getting beyond materialism is the most important step.  And that would be to 
get beyond materialism using analytic inquiry.  It would be nice to have 
enlightenment en Toto, but I doubt that is going to happen any time soon. 
Unless, of course, it occurs at our mass destruction.

I found Nagarjuna's logic impeccable.  My understanding isn't nearly as 
thorough as I'd like, but I knew from the first time I read it that here was 
the key to putting subjects and objects in their subordinate place.  And 
unless the ILLUSION of a s/o world is understood deeply, there will be no 
deep insight.   The clinging and acquiring will continue.

I'm assuming you've read Nagarjuna.  Have you?

Ron:
Yes I have, and I understand your point as provided above, It's just
when you make a statement like:
Intellectual Level:  Thought (patterns) established and emerging from
analytic inquiry.

It sounds to me that like Bo, you define the intellectual level as Analytic thought. Which I disagree with, the whole purpose of Nagarjuna's tetra lemma
is to expose this fallacy through the use analytics to deconstruct this method of thinking which to an analytical mind has more success and makes more sense then all the citations to the contrary, only through analytics
may you prove that analytics is not the only way to intellectualize.

thanks 
Marsha




















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