[MD] Social & Intellectual Levels

[Joseph Maurer]

Hi Peter'

Glad to see that you are back!

Joe


On 8/16/08 4:21 AM, "Peter Corteen" <psigenics at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi Marsha,
> 
> I like your definitions.
> 
> 'Analytic enquiry' conjures images of reasonable problem solving via subject
> object logic for me; I consider subject object metaphysics as a slightly
> whimsical intellectual practice. I can't reconcile SOM as the 4th level; SOL
> yes, but SOM merely an indulgent diversion.
> 
> Also, the conditioning force of social convention sounds right on the nose
> too.
> 
> I've lost my temper with some people in moq_discuss before now; when that
> happens it's an indication that I've lost 'it'. No big deal, I can look for
> 'it' again. 'It', the overview, the MoQ point of view, enlightenment, is a
> momentary thing; it can happen for me when I realise I have unconsciously
> contracted my whole body and that my awareness of my self has shrunk to my
> frontal lobe. Remembering my body is  the quickest way out of gumption traps
> for me.
> 
> -Peter
> 
> 2008/8/15 MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Kulp" <RKulp at ebwalshinc.com>
>> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 1:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Social & Intellectual Levels
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Ron,
>>> 
>>> I would think that analytic inquiry is an intellectual tool (pattern) to
>>> 
>>> develop better patterns.
>>> 
>>> I'm a conventional girl, living in a conventional world.  And I'm not
>>> sure I
>>> have other choices available at the moment, or would have it any other
>>> way.
>>> How would one arrive at the conclusion that the MOQ is a better
>>> world-view
>>> than SOM if not for some good healthy analytic inquiry?  How would one
>>> understand that entities are empty of inherent existence, if not for
>>> some
>>> good healthy analytic inquiry?  I'm not sure I'd be participating in
>>> this
>>> forum if it wasn't for my interest in analytic inquiry.  (But I will
>>> admit I
>>> like to whirl and twirl into the moonlight when the mood hits me.)
>>> 
>>> I'm not getting your objection.
>>> 
>>> Marsha,
>>> This is because you are already there, My reply
>>> was more towards those who are not.
>>> 
>>> You have it Marsha, You understand.
>>> 
>>> -Ron
>>> 
>> 
>> Ron,
>> 
>> I'm not anywhere.  I trying to see if the Intellectual Level and Social
>> Level defined as follow works for others.
>> 
>> 
>> Intellectual Level:  Thought (patterns) established and emerging from
>> analytic inquiry.
>> 
>> Social Level:  Thought (patterns) established by the force of convention.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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