[MD] Social & Intellectual Levels

[Peter Corteen]

Hello Joe,

I read other's posts on moq_discuss most days but rarely post myself; I
don't know why I don't post more often - probably because it takes me a long
time to write something serious.

-Peter

2008/8/17 Joseph Maurer <jhmau at sbcglobal.net>

> Hi Peter'
>
> Glad to see that you are back!
>
> Joe
>
>
> On 8/16/08 4:21 AM, "Peter Corteen" <psigenics at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Marsha,
> >
> > I like your definitions.
> >
> > 'Analytic enquiry' conjures images of reasonable problem solving via
> subject
> > object logic for me; I consider subject object metaphysics as a slightly
> > whimsical intellectual practice. I can't reconcile SOM as the 4th level;
> SOL
> > yes, but SOM merely an indulgent diversion.
> >
> > Also, the conditioning force of social convention sounds right on the
> nose
> > too.
> >
> > I've lost my temper with some people in moq_discuss before now; when that
> > happens it's an indication that I've lost 'it'. No big deal, I can look
> for
> > 'it' again. 'It', the overview, the MoQ point of view, enlightenment, is
> a
> > momentary thing; it can happen for me when I realise I have unconsciously
> > contracted my whole body and that my awareness of my self has shrunk to
> my
> > frontal lobe. Remembering my body is  the quickest way out of gumption
> traps
> > for me.
> >
> > -Peter
> >
> > 2008/8/15 MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
> >
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Kulp" <RKulp at ebwalshinc.com>
> >> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> >> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 1:19 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [MD] Social & Intellectual Levels
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Ron,
> >>>
> >>> I would think that analytic inquiry is an intellectual tool (pattern)
> to
> >>>
> >>> develop better patterns.
> >>>
> >>> I'm a conventional girl, living in a conventional world.  And I'm not
> >>> sure I
> >>> have other choices available at the moment, or would have it any other
> >>> way.
> >>> How would one arrive at the conclusion that the MOQ is a better
> >>> world-view
> >>> than SOM if not for some good healthy analytic inquiry?  How would one
> >>> understand that entities are empty of inherent existence, if not for
> >>> some
> >>> good healthy analytic inquiry?  I'm not sure I'd be participating in
> >>> this
> >>> forum if it wasn't for my interest in analytic inquiry.  (But I will
> >>> admit I
> >>> like to whirl and twirl into the moonlight when the mood hits me.)
> >>>
> >>> I'm not getting your objection.
> >>>
> >>> Marsha,
> >>> This is because you are already there, My reply
> >>> was more towards those who are not.
> >>>
> >>> You have it Marsha, You understand.
> >>>
> >>> -Ron
> >>>
> >>
> >> Ron,
> >>
> >> I'm not anywhere.  I trying to see if the Intellectual Level and Social
> >> Level defined as follow works for others.
> >>
> >>
> >> Intellectual Level:  Thought (patterns) established and emerging from
> >> analytic inquiry.
> >>
> >> Social Level:  Thought (patterns) established by the force of
> convention.
> >>
> >>
> >> Marsha
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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