[MD] Falling out of Time/Space

[Krimel]

Wheeler's many worlds idea sort of goes with that but it is more like
timestreams separate from each other at each quantum choice point. I'm not
sure that each quantum particle is coherent enough across time to have it's
own history, though. Plus from instant to instant aren't your biological
patterns composed of different quantum particles?

After all what ever "identity" or "self" we have is in the pattern of
particles and fields, not the particles or fields themselves. Well, it least
unless you take Sheldrake seriously.
Krimel

-----Original Message-----
From: Magnus Berg [mailto:McMagnus at home.se] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:59 AM
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Falling out of Time/Space

Hi guys

I actually touched this subject in an essay I'm writing, but I don't think
*you* 
as a whole person would be able to experience falling out of time/space.

What I speculate is that each quantum "particle" has its own
timeline/history. 
The only thing that makes us able to exist in one time is that all those
quantum 
particles now use the same timeline and space. If this wasn't the case, each

particle that you depend on would go back to its own spaceless timeline, so
you 
would in a way explode, or rather just vanish.

	Magnus



gav wrote:
> okay...i see.
> well i guess technically speaking everything that has happened or will
ever happen happens 'now'. that is the now contains all temporal events.
> so...in theory it may be possible to travel back/forward in time, in some
manner of speaking. 
> i don't think you can get separated from time - the eternal is what
encompasses and sustains time - infinite time if you like. to be timeless is
to be in eternity - the basic primordial flux devoid of any conceptual
differentiation. maybe we visit this dimension in dreams....perhaps thatiis
what it feels like to be a time traveller.
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 18/8/08, Krimel <Krimel at Krimel.com> wrote:
> 
>> From: Krimel <Krimel at Krimel.com>
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Falling out of Time/Scace
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Received: Monday, 18 August, 2008, 8:30 AM
>> I was thinking more along the line of becoming actually
>> disconnected from
>> space time. You are sounding more like Donnie Darko kind of
>> unstuck or Adian
>> Quinn in the Jacket kind of unstuck. I mean what if you
>> could move your
>> existence along the temporal dimension like Dr. Who does.
>> Back and forth. In
>> time.
>>
>>
>> heya,
>>
>>> So conceptually, abstractly how would your perceptions
>> be
>>> changed if you
>>> fell out or became unhinged from time/space in say, a
>> non a
>>> priori way?
>>>
>> time is subject to dilation/contraction, depending upon
>> your state of mind.
>> when meditating time seems to lose its linear regularity.
>> two hours can seem
>> like a lot shorter. same sorta thing with marijuana or acid
>> - time dilates.
>>
>> being 'in the zone' is one name for a non-linear
>> time experience. when in
>> the zone' it seems like one has plenty of time - to see
>> the ball etc. time
>> is slower for you than for your non-zoned opponent.
>>
>> i suppose that extreme meditators get close to a no-time
>> experience - for
>> the 'now' is eternal.
>>
>>
>> so i don't think you explode...or if you do it is a
>> subtle explosion.
>>
>>
>>> How might it affect your flow rate?
>>> All at once?
>>> Wouldn't you explode?
>>> Conceptually speaking of course.
>>> Krimel
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>> Gav said:
>>> time and space are patterns abstracted from
>> experience,
>>> like all others.
>>> they are not a priori categories of perception a la
>> kant.
>>> in other words time and space, inextricably linked of
>>> course, are perceptual
>>> constructs. they are conceptual.
>>>
>>> this is why time flows at different rates dependent
>> upon
>>> the state of the
>>> perceiver. 'to see eternity in an hour...'
>>>
>>> time is so everything doesn't happen at once.
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 18/8/08, Krimel <Krimel at Krimel.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I would say that Dr. Who has some of the best
>>> speculation
>>>> available on that
>>>> question. He has been bouncing back and forth
>> across
>>> his
>>>> own time line for
>>>> what; 30 something years now? Unless I am
>> mistaken he
>>> is
>>>> locked along the
>>>> same time continuum for some reason of another.
>> But
>>>> didn't he skip into
>>>> another timeline once or twice?
>>>>
>>>> STNG did a great episode that was like. the many
>>> worlds of
>>>> Worf, once.
>>>> Worf's of many different quantum worlds
>> appears at
>>>> once. I recall that
>>>> Voyager's from two timelines met and
>> eventually
>>> one of
>>>> the Janeways had to
>>>> sacrifice her crew and ship to save the other.
>>>>
>>>> If I really fell out of time/space I am not sure
>> if
>>>> experience would even be
>>>> sequential.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know! Where do you guys think you
>> would be
>>> if
>>>> you fell out of
>>>> time/space?



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