[MD] Falling out of Time/Space

[Krimel]

[Magnus]
The term "quantum particle" is probably a contradiction in itself. Something

like quantum entity may be a better one. Anyway, just as my body is 
completely exchanged (atom wise) every 7 or so years, it's of course 
possible that inorganic particles can be renewed in a similar fashion, but
I'm not sure about me being composed of different quantum entities every
instant?

[Krimel]
I have never been sure what to take away from quantum revelations. Mainly it
suggests to me that reality is way weirder that one might think and that
some things really are outside of our ability to perceive and apprehend a
prior. I think it is useful for telling why some of our ideas are probably
wrong, like the notion that anyone, even God, could move back and forth
along the same time line. But talk about what QM "means" makes my palms
sweat.

[Magnus]
If you use "pattern" here, don't you mean a static pattern of value? And in 
that case, you should also state which kind/level of pattern. I think the 
human "self" you refer to is best described as intellectual patterns. Even 
if someone loses both his legs and arms and then some, I guess you would 
still consider him to be "himself". On the other hand, after a serious 
stroke, many people are not themselves anymore.

[Krimel]
Exactly which is why I think pooh-poohing neurophysiology as being
metaphysically irrelevant is a crock. I am afraid I would have to classify a
human being, any human being as a biological pattern of value. Social
patterns of value would exist in the interaction of two or more individuals
and intellectual patterns I think are best represented on the internet.

[Magnus]
And since the intellectual patterns of a person is dependent on all lower 
levels of the body, then if the body vanishes so does the "self". It sounded

as if you thought the self could still be around even if the body
disappeared, or perhaps I misunderstood you?

[Krimel]
I think in any hierarchical system the upper levels depend on continue
stasis at the lower levels. Each level emerges from the levels below it and
is largely constrain by the patterns below it. Upper level patterns can not
specifically be determined by the levels below them but their general
outlines and the limits or range of possibilities is definitely determined
by the lower level patterns.

For example the biological need to eat demands that competition for food
resources will be socially mediated. The lack of wings means that there will
be little competition for air space.