[MD] Consciousness a la Platt

[Heather Perella]

> [SA previously]
> Well, I didn't use "blatant lies".
> 
> [Arlo]
> I did. After at least six (on my last count) times of
> answering the same
> questions I've been asking you and Ham, seeing nothing
> but evasion after
> evasion, this morning Platt wrote "Arlo can't even
> answer a few simple, direct
> questions." Perhaps Platt would care to produce one
> question I have not
> answered?

SA:  Arlo, your correct.  Platt was asked many times, and then tried to turn the tables on you.  I followed the whole thread.  Platt does go on to say, "Why don't you (Arlo) answer some of my questions?"  Platt this does look like lying.


> [SA previously]
> If you say these events happen, but don't provide an
> answer - without even an
> 'I don't know' comment, then what are you
> holding back?  Thus, why I grouped my
> answer with 'deception', 'hiding', or
> 'learning something'/'in transition'.
 
> [Arlo]
> He is holding back because he is not here for honest
> dialogue, SA. As Pirsig
> said of the Chairman, he is not a Truth-Seeker but a
> propagandist for a
> particular ideology. He knows the absurdity of his claims,
> he knows they are a
> theist revision, but he won't be honest about that
> because then he loses the
> ability to act like he supports the MOQ. At the very least,
> Ham is honest in
> his opposition to the MOQ, even if he too is incapable to
> defend his absurd
> claims.

SA:  I find Bo to be even the worse of the worse in this forum.  He's trying to hijack the moq for himself all together, and even tries to rid Pirsig from his own philosophy.  Pirsig did all the work, and now Bo wants it for himself.  I haven't read the Pirsig letter to Bo thread yet, but looking forward to it.

 
> [SA previously]
> >From my perspective, it's mainly been Ham, with his
> "consciousness evolves"
> comment and then his blatant disregard to comment upon this
> quote of his.  He
> probably doesn't even know what his own words mean. 
> It's his track record. 
> His 'mo'.
> 
> [Arlo]
> Ham and Platt share this same theist
> "Qualigod/Essigod" view. So the parallel
> in questioning is natural. There was one that preempted
> this one about
> evolution, and that is "what changed?" I've
> answered this several times, and
> each time I get "no no no, stupid reductionist
> Arlo". Fine, I said, if I am
> wrong, if the physiologists are wrong, then what is right?
> What, according to
> the Qualigod view, changed during the timeline that left
> "no consciousness" on
> one side and "consciousness" on the other. My
> view was assailed as "oops". As
> moronic as that is, I don't care, but then I asked
> "what do YOU think?" Both
> have been unable to answer, as their only answer
> "Qualigod poofed it into the
> timeline" reveals not only their theism, but their
> inability to even articulate
> a decent theistic proposal. In the end, all that's left
> is a sad dishonesty and
> use of lies that really should be something they reflect on
> in quiet. You see,
> I too, SA, have hopes that somewhere inside there is
> something that would be
> ashamed at the chicanery they perpetrate here. But I am a
> cynic, and you appear
> to have more hope than I.

SA:  Arlo, I go on and on about Ham and Bo, and I've done this, especially with Ham, for over a year.  Bo likes the moq, but even that's deceptive for this kind of moq he likes is what he likes to think as HIS moq.  He's trying to take possession of the moq for himself.  When you find out about the moq he likes, it's not the moq I read in ZMM and Lila, it's Bo's hijacked moq.  His philosophy is not only tyrannical, it's a monstrous dictorial empire on the loose looking for geography to take over.
      Maybe we're both looking for others to stand up more often and take notice of what's happening.  I like how Ron stands up to Bo, and how Marsha and dmb stand up to Ham.  I like how you stand up to Platt and call him out.  Anybody want to call out on me.  Peter tried to recently, but found he was mistaken.  I'm glad, though, we all stand up to each other and keep it verbal.  Saw on a website news story that police have arrested these men that were possibly planning to murder Obama for racial reasons and how Obama might actually become president - how dare that black man! (sarcastic)  Now, those people are takin' it too far obviously, murder... over his color, that's pretty gosh darn stupid, but I guess there are some pretty gosh darn stupid people livin' on this earth (and then I spit on the ground while I pull my pants up)... hahahha! [laughin' at myself; good night]