[MD] Consciousness a la Platt

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi Ron, thanks for reading my posts, will try to address the 
previous "Letter to Bodvar" by and by.

26 Aug. 
 
> [Chris] before
> > > I don't know If you'll agree with me, but from where I'm sitting
> > > it seems plausible that consciousness the way it is identified
> > > (witch
> is
> > > rather badly) now had to develop from the social level and into
> > > the intellectual level.

> Bo:
> OK, animals don't have language, neither aloud nor silent as 
> thoughts,  but even after language (at the social level) there was no
> inner/outer distinction.
 
> Ron:
> How would you know this?

Thanks for this comment. Whenever I write about the levels I use 
the age when the level in question was "leading edge" to better 
highlight its reality, but according to the MOQ we ARE the levels 
(we don't have value, value has us) and in my opinion all 
humankind share the three first levels while the intellectual has not 
been reached by all and - most important - been transcended by 
as many. (the Oriental cultures in general, Taoists more specific) 

This answer how I know what takes place on the biological level, I 
am that the level too and when at the SENSATION level there 
exist no S/O distinction. I could elaborate if you like.

> It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have
> learned English (up to fifty words used in correct context) no human
> being has been reported to have learned Dolphinese. - Carl Sagan 

Now, THIS is INTELLIGENCE and for years I have tried to convey 
the importance of the difference between this and INTELLECT 
particularly important for the MOQ where the 4th level is so grossly 
misinterpreted. In the same message I commented Arlo's about 
Tomasello' ideas on the emergence of INTELLIGENCE (that I 
suspect is plagiarized from my "works" ;-) but this you obviously 
overlooked.  

> But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all
> who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed
> at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at
> Bozo the Clown. - Carl Sagan 

I know Sagan very well (his Dragons of Eden in particular) and I 
think HE is the one who distinguishes between intelligence and 
intellect).

See you later 

Bo