[MD] Core problemS

[Ron Kulp]

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Subject: Re: [MD] Core problemS

At 09:05 AM 8/28/2008, you wrote:



>Krimel submits:
>"This classification of patterns is not very original, but the
>Metaphysics of Quality allows an assertion about them that is unusual.
>It says they are not continuous. They are discreet. They have very
>little to do with one another. Although each higher level is built on a
>lower one it is not an extension of that lower level. Quite the
>contrary. The higher level can often be seen to be in opposition to the
>lower level, dominating it, controlling it where possible for its own
>purposes."
>
>Is: present tense of the verb "to be."
>
>Ron:
>All I can counter with is what Pirsig wrote to Paul Turner which
>seems to be the most consistent with his theories.
>" When getting into a definition of the intellectual level much clarity
>can be gained by recognizing a parallel with the lower levels. Just as
>every biological pattern is also inorganic, but not all inorganic
>patterns are biological; and just as every social level is also
>biological, although not all biological patterns are social; so every
>intellectual pattern is social although not all social patterns are
>intellectual."
>
>Ron:
>Core problem,  any insights? a consensus would be interesting.
>
>
>
>

Ron,

Ooops!  I accidently deleted your post, but...

RMP has defined the levels as discrete, not continuous, not 
both.  Where did your use of the word 'continuous' come from?

Marsha

Ron:
Marsha,
what Krimel posted from Lila, contradicts what he wrote to Paul turner.

His statement :
"
They are discreet. They have very
>little to do with one another. Although each higher level is built on a
>lower one it is not an extension of that lower level."

conflicts with:

" Just as
>every biological pattern is also inorganic, but not all inorganic
>patterns are biological; and just as every social level is also
>biological, although not all biological patterns are social; so every
>intellectual pattern is social although not all social patterns are
>intellectual."

Ron:
sounds like they have much to do with each other and they do extend into
one another.

I'd like to know which it is.

Continuous is often used in contrast to discrete, that they flow into
one another continuously rather than separate and distinct.






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