[MD] Core problemS

[MarshaV]

At 11:48 AM 8/28/2008, you wrote:


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>At 09:05 AM 8/28/2008, you wrote:
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> >Krimel submits:
> >"This classification of patterns is not very original, but the
> >Metaphysics of Quality allows an assertion about them that is unusual.
> >It says they are not continuous. They are discreet. They have very
> >little to do with one another. Although each higher level is built on a
> >lower one it is not an extension of that lower level. Quite the
> >contrary. The higher level can often be seen to be in opposition to the
> >lower level, dominating it, controlling it where possible for its own
> >purposes."
> >
> >Is: present tense of the verb "to be."
> >
> >Ron:
> >All I can counter with is what Pirsig wrote to Paul Turner which
> >seems to be the most consistent with his theories.
> >" When getting into a definition of the intellectual level much clarity
> >can be gained by recognizing a parallel with the lower levels. Just as
> >every biological pattern is also inorganic, but not all inorganic
> >patterns are biological; and just as every social level is also
> >biological, although not all biological patterns are social; so every
> >intellectual pattern is social although not all social patterns are
> >intellectual."
> >
> >Ron:
> >Core problem,  any insights? a consensus would be interesting.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>Ron,
>
>Ooops!  I accidently deleted your post, but...
>
>RMP has defined the levels as discrete, not continuous, not
>both.  Where did your use of the word 'continuous' come from?
>
>Marsha
>
>Ron:
>Marsha,
>what Krimel posted from Lila, contradicts what he wrote to Paul turner.
>
>His statement :
>"
>They are discreet. They have very
> >little to do with one another. Although each higher level is built on a
> >lower one it is not an extension of that lower level."
>
>conflicts with:
>
>" Just as
> >every biological pattern is also inorganic, but not all inorganic
> >patterns are biological; and just as every social level is also
> >biological, although not all biological patterns are social; so every
> >intellectual pattern is social although not all social patterns are
> >intellectual."
>
>Ron:
>sounds like they have much to do with each other and they do extend into
>one another.
>
>I'd like to know which it is.
>
>Continuous is often used in contrast to discrete, that they flow into
>one another continuously rather than separate and distinct.

Ron,

I don't get the concept of 'continuous' from Paul's letter.

Marsha








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