[MD] What is SOM?

[David M]

> [Krimel]
> I think this ability to see subjects and object (in a totally
> nonmetaphysical sense) it one of the things that sets our species apart 
> from
> other primates. Arlo has brought this up several time in other contexts. 
> We
> can see ourselves as either subject or objects as static or dynamic 
> beings.
> We can see others as objects or identify with them as other subjects.
>
> But I do think that experience and the differentiation of subjects and
> object from experience only makes sense in the context of someone making 
> the
> differentiation. Meaning and purpose and understanding do not reside in 
> the
> inorganic level. They arise from biological processes which do have goals
> and purposes.
>

DM: Point being babies have to do some work to start to differentiate out
their experience into self and not-self, and not-self things and not-self 
others.
The whole metaphysical S-O split takes it further and MOQ suggests too far.
Now as for levels, sure the inorganic must have a lower form of experience
than life, but how low, how far reduced. Sure lots but all the way down
to unconscious law abiding mechanisms? Who knows? Perhaps a good
clue is that when we learn habits they seem to occur less consciously.
But this places things round the other way: perhaps electrons have to
learn to love proton and only after years of repetitive relationship does
this become an unconscious habit. But a reduced form of love of course,
a love for vibrations we might imagine and even great big complex human 
beings
love good vibrations too! Are electrical bonds a sort of endless little 
death
orgasm? And what are a billion interacting particles experiencing? I 
imagine,
and I am only looking for better metaphors and poetry than laws and
mechanisms (I mean are reductionists bondage freaks? -confess!), that
billions of interactions is a sort of pleasurable number crunching of lights
and vibrations, and would that not offer you more motivation to build
a cosmos than following the bloody laws of some boring creator-dictator?
Or do you enjoy submission? See different concept-metaphors=different
values and possibilities and sensibilities. It's all choice, its all built, 
its
all contingent, but you can only build on what's already been laid down
and you can only built in your own little space-time segment.