[MD] What is SOM?
MarshaV
marshalz at charter.net
Sat Aug 30 08:42:58 PDT 2008
Some interesting quotes:
Thomas Stapp:
"The physical world is "Not a structure built out of independently
existing non-analysable entities, but rather a web of relationships
between elements whose meanings arise wholly from their relationship
to the whole" " An elementary particle is not an independently
existing non-analysable entity. It is in essence, a set of
relationships that reach outwards to other things."
"In conclusion there is definitely not a substantial physical world."
John Wheeler:
"May the universe in some strange sense be "brought into being" by
the participation of those who participate?... The vital act is the
act of participation. "Participator" is the incontrovertible new
concept given by quantum mechanics. It strikes down the term "ob
server" of classical theory, the man who stands safely behind the
thick glass wall and watches what goes on without taking part. It
can't be done, quantum mechanics says."
Werner Heisenberg:
"What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our
method of questioning".
"...we never can know what actually goes on in the invisible
subatomic realm, and that, therefore, we should "abandon all attempts
to construct perceptual models of atomic processes".
Niels Bohr:
".. an independent reality in the ordinary physical sense can be
ascribed neither to the phenomena nor to the agencies of observation."
"Isolated material particles are abstractions, their properties
definable and observable only through their interaction with other systems."
"Quantum mechanics entails the necessity of a final renunciation of
classical ideas of causality and a radical revision of our attitude
towards the problem of physical reality."
David Bohm:
"Parts are seen to be in immediate connection in which their
dynamical relationships depend in an irreducible way on the state of
the whole system and the entire universe. Thus one is lead to a new
notion of unbroken wholeness which denies the classical idea of an
analyzability of the world into separate and independently existent parts."
Robert Oppenheimer:
"If we ask, for instance, whether the position of the electron
remains the same, we must say 'No'; if we ask whether the electron's
position changes with time, we must say 'No'; if we ask whether it is
in motion, we must say 'No'. The Buddha has given such answers when
interrogated as to the conditions of a man's self after death; but
they are not familiar answers for the tradition of 17th and 18th
century science."
Fritjof Capra (The turning point) sums up the current situation:
"In atomic physics the observed phenomena can be under stood only as
as correlations between various processes of obser vation and
measurement, and the end of this chain of processes lies always in
the consciousness of the human observer. the crucial feature of
quantum theory is that the observer is not only necessary to observe
the properties of an atomic phenomenon, but is necessary even to
bring about these properties. .. The electron does not have objective
properties independent of my mind. In atomic physics the sharp
Cartesian division between mind and matter, between the observer and
the observed, can no longer be maintained. We can never speak about
nature without, at the same time, speaking about ourselves."
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Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.........
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