[MD] What is SOM?

[Krimel]

[dmb]
Thanks for the "interesting quotes", Marsha. If I follow you here, these are
Western scientific versions of the idea of mutual arising, of dependent
arising, It is a scientific denial that anything exists independently. This
is anti-essentialist physics, no? This is physics outside of the metaphysics
of substance, no?

[Krimel]
But, but, Dave. Anything proceeding from the mouth of anyone who advocates
science must, by definition be SOM. Isn't science just one big united
monolith with all its proponents marching in lock step? These evil bastards
are either deluded, intentionally trying to deceive others as to their true
aims, or your endless rants are just the fetid blasts of hot air they appear
to be. I am I to conclude that appearances can be deceiving but not always.

> Thomas Stapp:
> 
> "The physical world is "Not a structure built out of independently 
> existing non-analysable entities, but rather a web of relationships 
> between elements whose meanings arise wholly from their relationship 
> to the whole" " An elementary particle is not an independently 
> existing non-analysable entity. It is in essence, a set of 
> relationships that reach outwards to other things."
> "In conclusion there is definitely not a substantial physical world."
> 
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> John Wheeler:
> 
> "May the universe in some strange sense be "brought into being" by 
> the participation of those who participate?... The vital act is the 
> act of participation. "Participator" is the incontrovertible new 
> concept given by quantum mechanics. It strikes down the term "ob 
> server" of classical theory, the man who stands safely behind the 
> thick glass wall and watches what goes on without taking part. It 
> can't be done, quantum mechanics says."
> 
> 
> 
> Werner Heisenberg:
> 
> "What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our 
> method of questioning".
> "...we never can know what actually goes on in the invisible 
> subatomic realm, and that, therefore, we should "abandon all attempts 
> to construct perceptual models of atomic processes".
> 
> 
> 
> Niels Bohr:
> 
> ".. an independent reality in the ordinary physical sense can be 
> ascribed neither to the phenomena nor to the agencies of observation."
> "Isolated material particles are abstractions, their properties 
> definable and observable only through their interaction with other
systems."
> "Quantum mechanics entails the necessity of a final renunciation of 
> classical ideas of causality and a radical revision of our attitude 
> towards the problem of physical reality."
> 
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> 
> David Bohm:
> 
> "Parts are seen to be in immediate connection in which their 
> dynamical relationships depend in an irreducible way on the state of 
> the whole system and the entire universe. Thus one is lead to a new 
> notion of unbroken wholeness which denies the classical idea of an 
> analyzability of the world into separate and independently existent
parts."
> 
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> 
> Robert Oppenheimer:
> 
> "If we ask, for instance, whether the position of the electron 
> remains the same, we must say 'No'; if we ask whether the electron's 
> position changes with time, we must say 'No'; if we ask whether it is 
> in motion, we must say 'No'. The Buddha has given such answers when 
> interrogated as to the conditions of a man's self after death; but 
> they are not familiar answers for the tradition of 17th and 18th 
> century science."
> 
> 
> 
> Fritjof Capra (The turning point) sums up the current situation:
> 
> "In atomic physics the observed phenomena can be under stood only as 
> as correlations between various processes of obser vation and 
> measurement, and the end of this chain of processes lies always in 
> the consciousness of the human observer. the crucial feature of 
> quantum theory is that the observer is not only necessary to observe 
> the properties of an atomic phenomenon, but is necessary even to 
> bring about these properties. .. The electron does not have objective 
> properties independent of my mind. In atomic physics the sharp 
> Cartesian division between mind and matter, between the observer and 
> the observed, can no longer be maintained. We can never speak about 
> nature without, at the same time, speaking about ourselves."
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> Shoot for the moon.  Even if you miss, you'll land among the
stars.........
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