[MD] What is SOM?

[Peter Corteen]

... and Jiddu Krishnamurti:

Consciousness is it's content.

2008/8/30 Platt Holden <plattholden at gmail.com>

> Hi Marsha:
>
> Let me add my thanks to others for these quotes. Interesting indeed! I
> would like to add:
>
> Erwin Schrodinger
>
> "The external world and consciousness are one and the same thing."
>
> Platt
>
>
> >
> > Some interesting quotes:
> >
> >
> > Thomas Stapp:
> >
> > "The physical world is "Not a structure built out of independently
> > existing non-analysable entities, but rather a web of relationships
> > between elements whose meanings arise wholly from their relationship
> > to the whole" " An elementary particle is not an independently
> > existing non-analysable entity. It is in essence, a set of
> > relationships that reach outwards to other things."
> > "In conclusion there is definitely not a substantial physical world."
> >
> >
> >
> > John Wheeler:
> >
> > "May the universe in some strange sense be "brought into being" by
> > the participation of those who participate?... The vital act is the
> > act of participation. "Participator" is the incontrovertible new
> > concept given by quantum mechanics. It strikes down the term "ob
> > server" of classical theory, the man who stands safely behind the
> > thick glass wall and watches what goes on without taking part. It
> > can't be done, quantum mechanics says."
> >
> >
> >
> > Werner Heisenberg:
> >
> > "What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our
> > method of questioning".
> > "...we never can know what actually goes on in the invisible
> > subatomic realm, and that, therefore, we should "abandon all attempts
> > to construct perceptual models of atomic processes".
> >
> >
> >
> > Niels Bohr:
> >
> > ".. an independent reality in the ordinary physical sense can be
> > ascribed neither to the phenomena nor to the agencies of observation."
> > "Isolated material particles are abstractions, their properties
> > definable and observable only through their interaction with other
> > systems."
> > "Quantum mechanics entails the necessity of a final renunciation of
> > classical ideas of causality and a radical revision of our attitude
> > towards the problem of physical reality."
> >
> >
> >
> > David Bohm:
> >
> > "Parts are seen to be in immediate connection in which their
> > dynamical relationships depend in an irreducible way on the state of
> > the whole system and the entire universe. Thus one is lead to a new
> > notion of unbroken wholeness which denies the classical idea of an
> > analyzability of the world into separate and independently existent
> > parts."
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert Oppenheimer:
> >
> > "If we ask, for instance, whether the position of the electron
> > remains the same, we must say 'No'; if we ask whether the electron's
> > position changes with time, we must say 'No'; if we ask whether it is
> > in motion, we must say 'No'. The Buddha has given such answers when
> > interrogated as to the conditions of a man's self after death; but
> > they are not familiar answers for the tradition of 17th and 18th
> > century science."
> >
> >
> >
> > Fritjof Capra (The turning point) sums up the current situation:
> >
> > "In atomic physics the observed phenomena can be under stood only as
> > as correlations between various processes of obser vation and
> > measurement, and the end of this chain of processes lies always in
> > the consciousness of the human observer. the crucial feature of
> > quantum theory is that the observer is not only necessary to observe
> > the properties of an atomic phenomenon, but is necessary even to
> > bring about these properties. .. The electron does not have objective
> > properties independent of my mind. In atomic physics the sharp
> > Cartesian division between mind and matter, between the observer and
> > the observed, can no longer be maintained. We can never speak about
> > nature without, at the same time, speaking about ourselves."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > .
> > .
> >
> > Shoot for the moon.  Even if you miss, you'll land among the
> > stars.........
> > .
> > .
> >
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