[MD] In and out of intellect.

[Ian Glendinning]

Minor aside ... Chris,

This is the root of a problem I have with making any clear distinction
between social & intellectual levels, and have a habit of thinking the
"socio-intellectual-cultural-level" ... the level where symbolic
communication prevails in it's many varied and interconnected
patterns.

The level where people hurl "intellectual" "new-age" "conservative"
"socialist" "post-modern" as a terms of abuse :-)

Ian

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Christoffer Ivarsson
<IvarssonChristoffer at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> From: X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com>
>
>> ?The Quality concept" Arete",
>> as you stated above was replaced by SOM. Following this statement
>> you post:
>> "The intellectual "carbon" that built the MOQ is
>> the Quality Idea and this is intellectual and will remain intellectual"
>>
>> First you say Quality or Arete is social and is replaced by SOM the
>> (intellectual level?)then you say
>> Quality is an intellectual pattern.
>> I ask, which is it? is Quality social or intellectual??
>
>
> The " Arete" Pirsig talks about in ZMM must indeed be a social level value -
> it seems Pirsig talks about it as though it was more similar to The Tao or
> something along that line, but it seems far more likely that what the
> sophists talked about when they said rhetoric was the only way of judging
> people and "truth" etc and the " Arete"  talked about is things valued by
> the social level.
>
> Indeed the sophists activity was probably motivated by a mix of social
> values and intellectual ones - but "Truth" as we know it had not been
> established as a firm concept yet, so it was mixed up. Then enters Socrates
> and the Western World is born. Literally. Slow birth-process perhaps. But
> still.
>
> Just passing by
> //Chris
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