[MD] In and out of intellect.

[Christoffer Ivarsson]

> From: X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com>

> ?The Quality concept" Arete",
> as you stated above was replaced by SOM. Following this statement
> you post:
> "The intellectual "carbon" that built the MOQ is
> the Quality Idea and this is intellectual and will remain intellectual"
>
> First you say Quality or Arete is social and is replaced by SOM the 
> (intellectual level?)then you say
> Quality is an intellectual pattern.
> I ask, which is it? is Quality social or intellectual??


The " Arete" Pirsig talks about in ZMM must indeed be a social level value - 
it seems Pirsig talks about it as though it was more similar to The Tao or 
something along that line, but it seems far more likely that what the 
sophists talked about when they said rhetoric was the only way of judging 
people and "truth" etc and the " Arete"  talked about is things valued by 
the social level.

Indeed the sophists activity was probably motivated by a mix of social 
values and intellectual ones - but "Truth" as we know it had not been 
established as a firm concept yet, so it was mixed up. Then enters Socrates 
and the Western World is born. Literally. Slow birth-process perhaps. But 
still.

Just passing by
//Chris