[MD] In and out of intellect.

[Christoffer Ivarsson]

yy, I hear you Ian. For all practical purposes talking about the 
"socio-intellectual-cultural-level" when talking about things we have around 
us as originating from some level might be a good thing. However I still 
don't see any real problem in identifying Truth as the core value of the 
intellectual level.

The only problem would be that that word "truth" originates from this 
particular socio-intellectual-cultural sphere and it will be viewed and 
talked about differently in other such spheres. The core value, I believe, 
is the same though.

Well, I'd better get back to the honourable David Hume now -

Have a Good one

> From: "Ian Glendinning" <ian.glendinning at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MD] In and out of intellect.

> Minor aside ... Chris,
>
> This is the root of a problem I have with making any clear distinction
> between social & intellectual levels, and have a habit of thinking the
> "socio-intellectual-cultural-level" ... the level where symbolic
> communication prevails in it's many varied and interconnected
> patterns.
>
> The level where people hurl "intellectual" "new-age" "conservative"
> "socialist" "post-modern" as a terms of abuse :-)
>
> Ian


> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Christoffer Ivarsson
> <IvarssonChristoffer at hotmail.com> wrote:

>> The " Arete" Pirsig talks about in ZMM must indeed be a social level 
>> value -
>> it seems Pirsig talks about it as though it was more similar to The Tao 
>> or
>> something along that line, but it seems far more likely that what the
>> sophists talked about when they said rhetoric was the only way of judging
>> people and "truth" etc and the " Arete"  talked about is things valued by
>> the social level.
>>
>> Indeed the sophists activity was probably motivated by a mix of social
>> values and intellectual ones - but "Truth" as we know it had not been
>> established as a firm concept yet, so it was mixed up. Then enters 
>> Socrates
>> and the Western World is born. Literally. Slow birth-process perhaps. But
>> still.
>>
>> Just passing by
>> //Chris