[MD] The SOM/MOQ discrepancy.

[Ian Glendinning]

Arlo (& Ham) comment inserted ...

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Arlo Bensinger <ajb102 at psu.edu> wrote:
> [Ham to Andre]
> Man is not here by accident or freak mutations.
>
> [Arlo]
> Some clarity, thank you Ham. Some follow-ups.
>
> 1.) Is anything here by accident or freak mutations? I mean, would you say
> "trees are not here by accident or freak mutations" or maybe "The moon is
> not here by accident or freak mutations"? Or is it just "man" that enjoys
> this status?
>
> 2.) Was man always intended? During the entire reign of the dinosaurs, was
> there still intent to "one day" bring about man? Were did this intent
> reside? Is this getting back to a "Primary Source" that needed something to
> worship it? If so, why wait? Why create a cosmos devoid of "man" for
> billions and billions and years, allowing dinosaurs to reign unchecked for
> millions, if the sole goal all along was to produce "man"?
>

[IG] Ooooh Errr ... the anthropic view. We get to the "ooops vs god"
debate again. Don't get me started. All I would say is that nothing
arrived by freak mutation "alone" ... they arrived "naturally". The
telos to greater intelligence (through evolving consciousness and
freedom) is natural too.

> Some unresolved questions.
>
> 3.) You had said previously that "consciousness evolves". You had tried to
> clarify this by saying "creation is an actualized modality of Essence". Can
> you verify for me that this means that the process by which consciousness
> evolves is rendered by a "Primary Source" that doles out improved models to
> subsequent generations, that this is why our consciousness is "more evolved"
> than our ancient cavemen ancestors (Essence simply gives us an updated
> model).
>
> More soon, these are enough for now.
>
> Arlo
>
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