[MD] The SOM/MOQ discrepancy.

[MarshaV]

At 01:25 PM 12/12/2008, you wrote:
>Hi Marsha,
>
> > At 10:37 AM 12/12/2008, you wrote:
> >
> > >[Ron]
> > > > I would say that a "true" MoQ teacher does not "teach" but provides
> > the
> > > > climet and the atmosphere
> > > > for the individual to realize itself.
> > >
> > >Yes -- another reason for thinking of the intellectual level as the
> > >"individual" level, the current high point of moral evolution, laying
> > the
> > >groundwork for the advance to the next level of art.
> >
> > Greetings Platt,
> >
> > How would this quote fit into your intellectual-level-as-individual
> > point-of-view?
> >
> > "While sustaining biological and social patterns
> > Kill all intellectual patterns.
> > Kill them completely
> > And then follow Dynamic Quality
> > And morality will be served."
> >      (LILA, Chapter 32)
>
>This reflects what Pirsig said near the beginning of LIla -- that writing a
>metaphysics is a degenerate activity. But he went on to say that not
>writing a metaphysics was just as degenerate as writing one. "Purity,
>identified, ceases to be purity." So while we acknowledge a mystic reality
>of no intellectual patterns and thus no levels (as in the passage you
>quote) we have to "settle for being something less pure." My individual
>level point-of-view, like the MOQ itself, is being less pure.

Platt,

What about Annotation 29 in LILA's Child?  Seems to me RMP is stating 
that the "sefl" does not exist independent of the patterns of all four levels.

"29. The MOQ, as I understand it, denies any existence of a
"self" that is independent of inorganic, biological, social or
intellectual patterns. There is no "self" that contains these
patterns. These patterns contain the self. This denial agrees
with both religious mysticism and scientific knowledge. In
Zen, there is reference to "big self" and "small self." Small
self is the patterns. Big self is Dynamic Quality."
     (LILA's Child)


Marsha









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