[MD] The SOM/MOQ discrepancy.

[MarshaV]

At 09:26 AM 12/14/2008, you wrote:
>Platt:
>My individual level point-of-view, like the MOQ itself, is being less pure.
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>Marsha:
>"29. The MOQ, as I understand it, denies any existence of a
>"self" that is independent of inorganic, biological, social or
>intellectual patterns. There is no "self" that contains these
>patterns. These patterns contain the self. This denial agrees
>with both religious mysticism and scientific knowledge. In
>Zen, there is reference to "big self" and "small self." Small
>self is the patterns. Big self is Dynamic Quality."
>     (LILA's Child)
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>Andre:
>The Intellectual level is not individual. The Intellectual level should
>reflect/ and be aware, of all.
>I have tried in my previous posts to make this clear in terms of the
>intellectual level being ( as Bodvar argues) the S/O distinction. In the
>spirit of Pirsig's  MoQ it is not. Ham has difficulties with this, SOL
>maintains this but I am getting used to the idea that Pirsig did not intend
>this. There is a huge difference between the law and the spirit of the law.
>Pirsig has presented us with an assumption! (dare I say it: a
>spirit underlying creation)! i.e Quality is reality (Lila p69)...we ( as
>MoQ'ers on this Discuss) adhere to this and we believe in this
>because reality makes much more sense to interpret it in the MoQ way than it
>does the SOM way...but it remains an assumption.
>It is the same as a political party representing you. It cannot be
>done...hence the crisis in democracy at present. Hence :conflict!
>The 'true' (representation) can only be represented mystically...something
>'the West' knows very little of.
>
>Andre

Greetings Andre,

I hope in my statement of self as 'ever-changing, collection of 
interrelated and interconnected, inorganic, biological, social and 
intellectual, static patterns of value responding to Dynamic 
Quality', that I do not accept an independent, autonomous self, or 
individual.

Marsha







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