[MD] CBC Ideas: Homo (Sapiens) Neanderthalensis & etc.

[MarshaV]

At 02:51 AM 12/26/2008, you wrote:
>Dear All
>
>Marsha said 25 Dec.
>
> > This is a two-part series that runs November through December.  This
> > is a very interesting program, and I liked very much the way it was
> > presented.  As a podcast it can be downloaded at the website, or it
> > can be gotten from iTune subscribe.
>
> > http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/features/neanderthals/index.html
>
>Interesting, but what's the bearing on the MOQ? We know about the
>Neanderthals.

Greetings Bo,

Seemed to me the point of the program was that we don't know about 
the Neanderthals.  Science thought one thing.  Then, new evidence was 
found, and now then tend to think something quite different.  In 
fact, it was stated that the real story would probably never be 
known.  Ahhhh. There it is.

My interest in the MOQ has taken a different direction.  I'm 
interested in the nature of patterns.  The nature of what is 
mistakenly thought of as an independent self.  All patterns, for me, 
have turned out to be interrelated, interconnected, ever-changing 
concepts.  No independent things.  Only conceptual ideas (static 
patterns of value) overlaid onto dynamic quality.  For me, ALL spovs 
are conceptual patterns.  Categorizing patterns as inorganic, 
biological, social and intellectual is a helpful tool, but not the 
important aspect of this new point-of-view.

Science often seems very arrogant and stupid.  What thrilled me about 
this program was an acknowledgement that what was known has 
changed.  Suddenly something so small seems very hopeful.

---

Did you happen to listen to the interview with Eric Fischl?   Do you 
think people are only capable of changing their point-of-view if they 
are suffering?  And it is for the artist to show them and make them 
experience their suffering?  This seems to be a serious question.  Or 
maybe not  Some would say to just paint.  -   Maybe you think change 
happens when it becomes rational to do so?


Marsha




>There surely were other humanoid races around the
>globe before the Cro Magnons (with their "modern" neocortex brain)
>closed the "window of opportunity" for the other. At least no full-fledged
>Homo Sapiens suddenly emerged, there were hundred of thousands
>of years - millions possibly - before the said humanoid type had
>evolved (the biological level's internal evolution) and from then on
>scores of millennia before the social level emerged from the said Cro
>Magnon's biology (their intelligence IMO)
>
>By the way, I recently bought a history magazine that brought an article
>on the Greek thinkers and started with saying "The philosophers and
>scientists of antiquity were the first who tried to explain the world
>through reason and logical conclusions. From Thales to Archimedes
>they rejected their contemporary religious dogmas and shook their
>heads at anything not rational .(snip) .. laid down the fundaments for
>all scientific research and the modern Western culture and our time's
>democracy" (translated from Norwegian) I've never seen what
>happened in Greece presented so close to Pirsig's in ZAMM before.
>
>Bo
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