[MD] CBC Ideas: Homo (Sapiens) Neanderthalensis & etc.

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Marsha,

May I borrow your question:
"Do you think people are only capable of changing t
heir point-of-view if they are suffering?" for a story I
am writing?

thanks--mel

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From: "MarshaV" <marshalz at charter.net>
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Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] CBC Ideas: Homo (Sapiens) Neanderthalensis & etc.


> At 02:51 AM 12/26/2008, you wrote:
> >Dear All
> >
> >Marsha said 25 Dec.
> >
> > > This is a two-part series that runs November through December.  This
> > > is a very interesting program, and I liked very much the way it was
> > > presented.  As a podcast it can be downloaded at the website, or it
> > > can be gotten from iTune subscribe.
> >
> > > http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/features/neanderthals/index.html
> >
> >Interesting, but what's the bearing on the MOQ? We know about the
> >Neanderthals.
>
> Greetings Bo,
>
> Seemed to me the point of the program was that we don't know about
> the Neanderthals.  Science thought one thing.  Then, new evidence was
> found, and now then tend to think something quite different.  In
> fact, it was stated that the real story would probably never be
> known.  Ahhhh. There it is.
>
> My interest in the MOQ has taken a different direction.  I'm
> interested in the nature of patterns.  The nature of what is
> mistakenly thought of as an independent self.  All patterns, for me,
> have turned out to be interrelated, interconnected, ever-changing
> concepts.  No independent things.  Only conceptual ideas (static
> patterns of value) overlaid onto dynamic quality.  For me, ALL spovs
> are conceptual patterns.  Categorizing patterns as inorganic,
> biological, social and intellectual is a helpful tool, but not the
> important aspect of this new point-of-view.
>
> Science often seems very arrogant and stupid.  What thrilled me about
> this program was an acknowledgement that what was known has
> changed.  Suddenly something so small seems very hopeful.
>
> ---
>
> Did you happen to listen to the interview with Eric Fischl?   Do you
> think people are only capable of changing their point-of-view if they
> are suffering?  And it is for the artist to show them and make them
> experience their suffering?  This seems to be a serious question.  Or
> maybe not  Some would say to just paint.  -   Maybe you think change
> happens when it becomes rational to do so?
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
> >There surely were other humanoid races around the
> >globe before the Cro Magnons (with their "modern" neocortex brain)
> >closed the "window of opportunity" for the other. At least no
full-fledged
> >Homo Sapiens suddenly emerged, there were hundred of thousands
> >of years - millions possibly - before the said humanoid type had
> >evolved (the biological level's internal evolution) and from then on
> >scores of millennia before the social level emerged from the said Cro
> >Magnon's biology (their intelligence IMO)
> >
> >By the way, I recently bought a history magazine that brought an article
> >on the Greek thinkers and started with saying "The philosophers and
> >scientists of antiquity were the first who tried to explain the world
> >through reason and logical conclusions. From Thales to Archimedes
> >they rejected their contemporary religious dogmas and shook their
> >heads at anything not rational .(snip) .. laid down the fundaments for
> >all scientific research and the modern Western culture and our time's
> >democracy" (translated from Norwegian) I've never seen what
> >happened in Greece presented so close to Pirsig's in ZAMM before.
> >
> >Bo
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