[MD] Mind-body practice

[Ron Kulp]

On Dec 31, 2007, at 11:34 AM, Heather Perella wrote:

>     Yes, so 'just sit'.  As I said, it depends on
> what your looking for.  I can take a walk in the woods
> or sit by a fire after gathering the wood, and
> experience peace.  I do need to continue walking in
> the woods and sit by fires and these are practices.
> Some people paint.  I don't want to get into a debate
> as to who practices best and why.  I'm saying ordinary
> life is in touch with reality just as any Chi exercise
> is.  Who's practice is better would be a silly debate
> and I don't find value in that.  If you could tell me
> the value of such a debate and something worthwhile
> would come out of it, then you could try to convince
> me otherwise.
Dwai responds:
I know we might be referring to two separate phenomenon here and this  
is not about which/whose practice is better.
The biggest hurdle to "knowing" the Universe is in the skepticism  
that is built into us from childhood via the social system.
We don't acknowledge Chi/Prana and our world exist's in the phantasm  
of our intellect. We mistake this world of thought-up words and  
conjured imagery as reality.


The Taoists, Vedantins all believe that this "reality" is not the  
ultimate reality and further propose this alternate structured  
framework to access the larger reality that exists.

While I whole-heartedly agree with you about the fact that ordinary  
life is just as much in touch with this greater reality as is doing a  
Chi exercise, our sensory and intellectual apparatuses aren't usually  
prepared to access this reality.  That's where these "exercises" come  
into picture. The Native Americans are equipped to access this  
portion of reality due to their social conditioning. A non-native  
mind is not, again due to social conditioning.  Please refer to this  
article for more details on this matter --

http://medhajournal.com/content/view/70/80/

Also refer to the concept of Biocultures and how our knowing/learning  
is affected by what part of the brain is developed as a result of our  
bio-cultural environment (social conditioning) -- http:// 
biocultural.org/biocultures.html


If you remember, this discussion was triggered by my initial query to  
the group about their personal practices vis-a-vis MoQ (or whatever  
else one might choose to refer to it as).  And what I intended to  
find out from that query is whether this "Greater Reality" can be  
known by merely intellectual means or does it take a combination of  
energy-work, meditation and intellectual analysis.

In response to the "just sit and know" statement, I had to bring  
forth to our attention that the Buddha didn't happen to stumble upon  
this "just sit and know" -- there was a lot of preparation that went  
into taking him there, which involved "Not sitting".

I hope we can discuss much further when the purva paksha is clearly  
articulated.

Ron:
Dwai, I noticed your statement awhile back and wanted to address it
But I first wanted to follow out a particular line of thinking I 
Was pursuing. So Happens it ends where your post begins.

I agree with your statements, so much so it is a relief to have another
understand.
 You stated:
" If you remember, this discussion was triggered by my initial query to

the group about their personal practices vis-a-vis MoQ (or whatever  
else one might choose to refer to it as).  And what I intended to  
find out from that query is whether this "Greater Reality" can be  
known by merely intellectual means or does it take a combination of  
energy-work, meditation and intellectual analysis."

Ron:
I asked this very same question in the " Where was Quality before
Pirsig?"
Thread. It was chalked up to DQ. End of subject. But I sense as you
Imply, that through energy work, meditation, and intellectual analysis
Performed in an oriented awareness, a greater reality may be known.
If I may, Id like to pose the same question to you.
I asked if Pre-intellectual experience was considered a state of mind
Arrived at via intellectual patterns.
What I gather by the response from the others is that intellectual
patterns are intellectual
Patterns top of the heap to venture beyond is absurd.

Pre-intellectual is active at the remedial experience, the biological.
But is the mind of a pre-human what we are aspiring to?
To combine all in an active inquiry, a mental awareness
Of intent, proposes a wisdom above mere intellectual processes. 
Quite certainly above pre-human experience.

I would respectfully welcome any insight.