[MD] Painting

[Heather Perella]

> >SA previously:
> >No, other than the last part where you mention,
> >"the place of calm and quiet, where experience is
> >clear", but it seems your complicating what I'm
> trying to say.  I'm talking about quiet.

     [Marsha] 
> You want to know about sound?  A small amount of
> noise (bird chirping) as opposed to large amount
noise (a
> Metallica recording)?


SA:
     This is much, much closer to what I mean, but the
focus is not only on sound.  Let's go back to when you
mentioned silence for I'm talking about the totality
of an experience.  One in which silence and sound is
involved.  Sound is present and it is about the amount
of sound present as your example above indicates, but
this 'amount' is influenced by silence.  The totality
of the experience is not just sound and not just
silence.  It is quiet.  I like your example above, but
I don't want the focus on sound to mistaken as to what
I'm describing.  This example, as mine, helps place
the focus in a certain direction, but let us not
forget the background which is influencing these
sounds to be either a large amount of sound or not. 
For instance, if I was listening to a bird chirping,
it is quiet, and then Metallica it can still be quiet,
depending on the 'background noise', for a jack-hammer
might make Metallica seem still quiet.  Also, even
with a jack-hammer going, I may still find a quiet
place, maybe it is in my mind, yet, how my mind was
able to tone down the sounds is interesting, also,
maybe I could look into the blue sky and hear quiet,
all while the jack-hammer is going.  Yet, I believe
this is what you were getting to which your comparison
example above.  Also, though, a jack-hammer can be so
loud, that it quietens everything else.  I can't hear
anything, everything else is so quiet, even my
thoughts are 'crushed' by this jack-hammer.  So, it is
about sound, but it seems to be not restricted to the
loudness or amount of sound, as well.  



     [SA previously]
> >Also, "silent witness" seems to be a person or a
position
> >one takes with 'things'/'events'.

     [Marsha] 
> A silent witness is what I find when the mind is not
> attached.


SA:
     Does this still fit in with what I said above?


     [Marsha]
> I haven't been talking about sound.  But yes there
> is quietness in my 
> day.  But the type of experience I have been talking
> about, a quiet mind, is very valuable.


SA:  A quiet mind is good.  I'm pointing out that
quiet is not just in our minds, but outside the mind,
too.  Quiet is a lessen of sound, thus, more towards
silence, but is also more present with the increase of
sound (the jack-hammer experience).


Marsha:
> The noisiest thing is the world is 
> mind.  It's not that I don't enjoy busting a mental
> problem.  I 
> do.  But it's as Dan indicated, not much.  It might
> be fun, and if 
> I'm lucky I may bust some static thinking.  But it's
> really not a big 
> deal, it doesn't last.  It just floats away with
> everything else.


SA:  Quietness does influence this experience you
mention here.  Also, the music you listen to, also
influences your experience in the mind by quieting the
mind.  Also, being in a quiet place, quietier than
when music is playing, will also quiet the mind. 
Quietness' presence is very wide range and fine tuned,
as well.



     SA previously: 
> >I appreciate you helping me bounce this off another
> >person here on this forum.  Thanks.

Marsha: 
> I don't know if I've hit your quiet mark.  I'm sorry
> I haven't understood your question very well.


SA:  I think we may have gotten closer to this
experience of quiet.



SA


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