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[MarshaV]

SA's original question:
I'm curious.  Have you recognized the quietness while you meditate?

Marsha's reply:
Yes.

ooooooooohhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm,
Marsha



At 10:30 AM 1/12/2008, you wrote:

> > >SA previously:
> > >No, other than the last part where you mention,
> > >"the place of calm and quiet, where experience is
> > >clear", but it seems your complicating what I'm
> > trying to say.  I'm talking about quiet.
>
>      [Marsha]
> > You want to know about sound?  A small amount of
> > noise (bird chirping) as opposed to large amount
>noise (a
> > Metallica recording)?
>
>
>SA:
>      This is much, much closer to what I mean, but the
>focus is not only on sound.  Let's go back to when you
>mentioned silence for I'm talking about the totality
>of an experience.  One in which silence and sound is
>involved.  Sound is present and it is about the amount
>of sound present as your example above indicates, but
>this 'amount' is influenced by silence.  The totality
>of the experience is not just sound and not just
>silence.  It is quiet.  I like your example above, but
>I don't want the focus on sound to mistaken as to what
>I'm describing.  This example, as mine, helps place
>the focus in a certain direction, but let us not
>forget the background which is influencing these
>sounds to be either a large amount of sound or not.
>For instance, if I was listening to a bird chirping,
>it is quiet, and then Metallica it can still be quiet,
>depending on the 'background noise', for a jack-hammer
>might make Metallica seem still quiet.  Also, even
>with a jack-hammer going, I may still find a quiet
>place, maybe it is in my mind, yet, how my mind was
>able to tone down the sounds is interesting, also,
>maybe I could look into the blue sky and hear quiet,
>all while the jack-hammer is going.  Yet, I believe
>this is what you were getting to which your comparison
>example above.  Also, though, a jack-hammer can be so
>loud, that it quietens everything else.  I can't hear
>anything, everything else is so quiet, even my
>thoughts are 'crushed' by this jack-hammer.  So, it is
>about sound, but it seems to be not restricted to the
>loudness or amount of sound, as well.
>
>
>
>      [SA previously]
> > >Also, "silent witness" seems to be a person or a
>position
> > >one takes with 'things'/'events'.
>
>      [Marsha]
> > A silent witness is what I find when the mind is not
> > attached.
>
>
>SA:
>      Does this still fit in with what I said above?
>
>
>      [Marsha]
> > I haven't been talking about sound.  But yes there
> > is quietness in my
> > day.  But the type of experience I have been talking
> > about, a quiet mind, is very valuable.
>
>
>SA:  A quiet mind is good.  I'm pointing out that
>quiet is not just in our minds, but outside the mind,
>too.  Quiet is a lessen of sound, thus, more towards
>silence, but is also more present with the increase of
>sound (the jack-hammer experience).
>
>
>Marsha:
> > The noisiest thing is the world is
> > mind.  It's not that I don't enjoy busting a mental
> > problem.  I
> > do.  But it's as Dan indicated, not much.  It might
> > be fun, and if
> > I'm lucky I may bust some static thinking.  But it's
> > really not a big
> > deal, it doesn't last.  It just floats away with
> > everything else.
>
>
>SA:  Quietness does influence this experience you
>mention here.  Also, the music you listen to, also
>influences your experience in the mind by quieting the
>mind.  Also, being in a quiet place, quietier than
>when music is playing, will also quiet the mind.
>Quietness' presence is very wide range and fine tuned,
>as well.
>
>
>
>      SA previously:
> > >I appreciate you helping me bounce this off another
> > >person here on this forum.  Thanks.
>
>Marsha:
> > I don't know if I've hit your quiet mark.  I'm sorry
> > I haven't understood your question very well.
>
>
>SA:  I think we may have gotten closer to this
>experience of quiet.
>
>
>
>SA
>
>
> 
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