[MD] The Advancement of MOQ

[skutvik at online.no]

Chris.

24 Jan. you wrote:

> Indeed I have found myself practicing as a "missionary" a bit - and
> met with the frustration that leads to, as I'm sure many here
> recognize =) ...

When one comes across a thinker whose ideas match one's own 
vague thoughts, one inevitably behaves like a "born again" and 
dependent upon the degree of despair (over nothing previously 
matching) the fascination with this thinker and his ideas grabs 
hold of one. Your comparing the beauty of the MOQ with art I 
agree with and yet I feel that there is a component of rationality 
and that the MOQ is "true".   

The MOQ is - as it claims to be - a metaphysics, the grand 
overall view and Pirsig's about Q-varieties of various scientific 
disciplines I'm skeptic of. Physics is intellect's (SOM's) foremost 
pattern and must work from intellect's S/O premises with 
emphasis on the O (bjectivity). An  new  "causation" unduly 
complicates things. I believe a physicist can perform his 
experiments with normal causation as hypothesis with the MOQ 
hovering above. History, however, is another thing, it too rests on 
"objectivity" in the sense of it being a fact that Gustav Adolf  
fought at Poltava, but how this battle is interpreteded will always 
be - um - subjective. This I believe is recognized within the 
historic faculty already. So my advice is that the MOQ will only 
explain this internal S/O enigma but not interfere with knowledge.          
 
> It is hard, when talking about this not to sound like a pompous
> prophet  isn't it =) At least one knows that that's how it might be
> interpreted in the mind of someone dedicated to the SOM. I mean, the
> SOM, or, rather, the scientific thinking of today has a very strong
> immune system aimed towards everything even remotely sounding like
> "mysticism" and understandably so, it took time for this intellectual
> level to overcome the former, and Voltaire's "Écrasez l'Infame!"  -
> and all that this total denunciation of the "old ways" represent, has
> no doubt served intellectual quality.

True about intellect's immune system, but no level would be 
static without such a system, you know that my thesis is that 
SOM is the intellectual level? You seem to recognize this in 
seeing - for instance - Voltaire denouncing religion as intellect's 
fight with - and victory over - the social level. 
 
> The question remains then - is this the way the MOQ should proceed?

If you mean the MOQ flirting with mysticism (Buddhism) In my 
opinion: No!! There are too many on this discussion that yelps 
about Dynamic Quality as if some panacea, not having 
understood the first thing of the MOQ. It (the MOQ) is greater 
than anything in the sense of bridging the East-West 
(mysticism/rationality) gap

> PS I would like to express my appreciation of the opportunity to
> participate in this discussion, thoughts easily eludes me unless I
> have some way of ventilating them.

True about thoughts eluding one, yet thoughts are born in 
solitude. I remember the first years after LILA before the Lila 
Squad how I had some scares "this seems to pull the rug from 
under the MOQ" and I used to take long walks churning the said 
problem and usually the solution arrived and I could return 
relieved. It was the SOL-ution that finally solved all MOQ 
problems 


Bo