[MD] The End of Faith - Spirituality

[David M]

Hi Ron

Is lots of god-talk better seen as various attempt to talk
about DQ using notions/concepts designed to talk about
SQ? This is why they always seem to miss the point?

David M


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Kulp" <RKulp at ebwalshinc.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] The End of Faith - Spirituality


> Marsha,
> This is where I have trouble calling myself anything. I've wrestled with
> This for awhile, I can't say I do not believe in god, because I do
> Believe in the spov of god as DQ, that's how the great spirit was
> Explained to me, plus I've always kinda felt this in my bones
>>From a kid on up. The connectedness we share with all.
> So I can't really say I don't believe in that.
> When asked, usually I say I believe in god,
> Just not the god everybody else believes in.
> I have a relationship with the universe whether I choose
> To acknowledge it or not, I endeavor to move in harmony with it.
> 
> Labeling myself just goes against my grain. I'm not an atheist
> Nor a theist yet I agree with portions of both philosophies.
> 
> I'm me, with my own beliefs, this has usually caused a fuss
>>From both camps.
> 
> I would never say my way is best or the true or the only way.
> I do however, encourage people to think for themselves and
> Develop their own beliefs in these matters.
> That much I agree with Harris.
> 
> If I'm against anything it's absolutism. Taking hard stances
> Against broad general concepts like: religion is evil
> Or atheists are immoral. It demonstrates a total lack 
> Of understanding.
> 
> 
> -Ron
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org
> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of MarshaV
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:25 AM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] The End of Faith - Spirituality
> 
> 
> Does god exist as a spov?  Yes.
> 
> Religious traditions using extensive definition, doctrine and dogma 
> state god (spov) is equivalent to DQ.
> 
> I reject the existence of that god.
> 
> I am an atheist.
> 
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> DEFINITION of  Marsha, I, me, self, myself, & etc.:   Ever-changing 
> collection of overlapping, interrelated, inorganic, biological, 
> social and intellectual, static patterns of value.
> 
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