[MD] moq thought experiement 1.

[Marsha]

"I quite agree with you. And the moral of that is: Be what you would seem to 
be, or if you'd like it put more simply: Never imagine yourself not to be 
otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might 
have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to 
them to be otherwise."



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Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] moq thought experiement 1.


>
> Hi Gav,
> There's allot going on here, but i have experienced this so i understand. 
> Or think i do.
> But there is a problem:
> '...the voice that some subtle souls realise isn't them!!!'
> This implies there IS an authentic you, and i agree with this also. Or 
> think i do.
>
> However, non of this changes the fact that babies are fully present, and 
> i've been told by those who feel they know, that being fully present is 
> what zennies aim for. This may mean that zennies don't give a fuck about 
> being an agent of evolution either, and in a sense i think i understand 
> that. If it is so.
>
> I am just wondering. Just letting thoughts wander. And i can see that the 
> baby in us all doesn't ever go away. There are moments when i seem to 
> disappear and i am the baby again. It seems that everything that i think 
> has happened could vanish.
>
> squonk
>
>
> babies are pure like animals; they are fully present, free of the 
> reification
> that passes for reality in the adult world.
> this simulacrum has a function however - everything does. everything is as 
> it is
> - as it should be. the function is the *isolation of the individual*; 
> solipsism
> is a term used pejoratively to dismiss the purpose of self-conscious 
> awareness:
> alienation is a waystation on the road to authenticity. gotta go through 
> hell to
> get to heaven; the hero's journey is fundamentally *a solo thing*.
> so we get alienated, depressed, isolated, scared, depressed, desperate,
> suicidal, angry, frustrated, alone....and we go through this....we walk 
> through
> the fire and how we walk through determines how long the fire lasts.
> the separation allows us to disenage from the collective entity that seeks 
> our
> submission - the egregor. its voice is the voice in our heads; the voice 
> that
> some subtle souls realise isn't them!!! and they are pronounced shizo 
> rather
> than aware. ha!!
> when life craps on your face you don't give a fuck about keeping up 
> appearances
> anymore and you free yourself from the egregious machinations of the 
> machine
> head....now the journey turns the hairpin and we rejoin the collectivity - 
> but
> this time as an 'agent of evolution'; babies are not agents of evolution.
> being an agent of evolution is fun....you get a '00' number and license to
> confuse.
> love and daggers
> g
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