[MD] The Intellectual Gauntlet

[MarshaV]

David,

Where is it that you think the East is not assimilating Western values?   Or 
who is this eastern mystic that is sitting around meditating whilst the 
world goes to hell?   The Dalai Lama hasn't been ignoring western science. 
I've read his, 'The Universe in a Single Atom: The Convergence of Science 
and Spirituality.'

Have you read Nagarjuna's MMK?

I'm not sure who here can properly represent the disinterested meditating 
mystic, but since I misinterpreted your initial post, why don't you reset 
the discussion.

Marsha






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David M" <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] The Intellectual Gauntlet


> Marsha
>
> Only disappointed that you did not think it was worth discussing.
>
> DM
>
>>
>>
>> David,
>>
>> More disappointed at what?  I thought your remark was over the top.  If I 
>> was wrong in my interpretation and you want an apology...  I'm sorry.  I 
>> have no desire to argue with you.  I have no desire to prove you wrong. 
>> I have no desire to prove I'm right.  I am often wrong, so again, I am 
>> sorry.
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>> More disappointed.
>>>
>>> DM
>>>
>>>>
>>>> David,
>>>>
>>>> You must be right.
>>>>
>>>> Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "David M" <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:58 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] The Intellectual Gauntlet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, in the context of us as MOQ critics of western culture who
>>>>> often ask what we can learn from the east, I was asking
>>>>> what the east can learn from the west for a change? Is that
>>>>> a bad thing? You might think the answer is no, maybe you should
>>>>> try answering the question rather than just chucking abuse and odd
>>>>> suspicions at the questioner, it's a shame don't you think? Of course,
>>>>> the second comment you quote is in the context of the problematic
>>>>> comprehension of the west known as MOQ, I kind of take that as a
>>>>> given round here, but happy to confirm that this criticism works, at 
>>>>> the
>>>>> least, both ways. My point is to find where east and west might meet,
>>>>> but that that may require both to move.
>>>>>
>>>>> DM
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Marsha
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A statement like "the eastern mystic may be happy to sit
>>>>>>>> meditating whilst the world
>>>>>>>> goes to hell." shows a depth of ignorance of an important half of 
>>>>>>>> the MOQ's East/West synthesis.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nagarjuna obliterates subject/object dualism in a manner that 
>>>>>>>> shouldn't be missed.  This leaves the air clean and fresh for a new 
>>>>>>>> world-view experience.  Many of the problems this list is having 
>>>>>>>> "defining things" would melt away.  The subject/object pov stays 
>>>>>>>> intact but can be seen as a workable method in a conventional world 
>>>>>>>> not reality itself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the word 'may' in my proposition may have passed you by.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi David,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I'm sure the next sentence, "Here is perhaps where the west can 
>>>>>> ask if the east needs to think again in more comprehensive way." was 
>>>>>> just as innocent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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