[MD] The End of Faith - Spirituality

[Krimel]

[Platt]
"You go to any socialist city and it's always a dull place because there's 
little Dynamic Quality." (Lila, 17)

"Any socialist city" doesn't mean the Warsaw pact countries. 

[Krimel]
Correct me if I am wrong here but according to your definition of socialism
are Paris, London and Geneva socialist cities? Are you suggesting that
Pirsig would find them dull or devoid of DQ? 

[Platt]
OK. You asked and I answered, like your answer below. . 

[Krimel]
Your answer avoided the question suggesting outside reading. I at least
attempted to summarize and show the relevance to the point at hand. But left
my be clear I don't really recommend to book or the lecture I cited I found
them overly simplistic.

[Platt]
Since you are interacting and helping me with references, I assume you
are extremely happy with our "interpersonal relationship." 

[Krimel]
I always enjoy sparing with you, Platt. But you are infuriatingly stuck in a
rut and almost always wrong. But then happiness is not the only basis for
interpersonal relationships just healthy interpersonal relationship. Ours is
ever dysfunctional and I suspect subtracting minutes from our lives.

[Platt]
Your analogy is flawed. Societies don't get pregnant. Your logic is also 
flawed. Government (the police and military) are needed to fight off 
biological forces that destroy societies. 

[Krimel]
My analogy is to the either/or all or none righteous proclamation you are
given to making. 

The police and military are rarely effective tools for dealing with biology
the are forces used to combat force as a last resort.

[Platt]
What is not needed is big government such as found in socialist countries.

[Krimel] 
Where are these socialist countries again? 

[Platt]
I assume you read Lila.

[Krimel]
Several times, but I suspect it was not at all the same book you read.