[MD] Dawkins quotes RMP on religion.

[Krimel]

> [Krimel]
> My personal view is that this is another example of Pirsig's unfortunate
> choice of terms. He claims that a rock falling to the ground is a matter 
> of preference and values and that using such sloppy terms doesn't change 
> the meaning. But it does. It allows you to run around yacking about the 
> lack of moral codes in science when Pirsig has just said physics IS a 
> moral code.Math, biology, geology the whole lot ARE moral codes in the 
> MoQ.
> In this particular context it is your impoverished notions of morality 
> that the MoQ rejects not science.

[Platt]
You speak solely of static moral codes of the inorganic and biological
levels, a narrow, "impoverished" view of the MOQ. As for Dynamic Quality,
"moral force," you and science have nothing to say except to deny its
existence.

[Krimel]
First I would point out that the static quality of "moral codes" at the
lowers level forms the foundation of higher levels. The higher level can not
exist without them and it is the very static quality that gives them value.
Any 'moral force' (an ill advised term) is not only revealed at lower levels
but is shaped and constrained by them at higher levels. It is the height of
folly to suppose that they are not relevant.

It is also incorrect to claim that science is not capable of studying
morality at other levels, that is what the social sciences are for,
including politics and economics, by the way.