[MD] The Menu/Reality issue

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>Ron:
>The last post on this particular problem for today, I swear.
>
>When Pirsig wrote:
>*) LILA:
>    This problem of trying to describe value in terms of substance
>    has been the problem of a smaller container trying to contain a
>    larger one.  Value is not a subspecies of substance.
>    Substance is a subspecies of value. When you reverse the
>    containment process and define substance in terms of value
>    the mystery disappears: substance is a "stable pattern of
>    inorganic values."  The problem then disappears.  The world of
>    objects and the world of values is unified.
>
>He mistakenly gave the impression of a meta-objectivism. which contradicts
>the statement of Value or Quality (ultimate reality) as being indefineable.
>
>By stating that substance IS a "stable pattern of inorganic values"
>He unwittingly alludes to a meta-objectivists view. When the remainder
>of his Metaphysic states that substance is an intellectual pattern
>ABOUT  "stable patterns of inorganic values".

Ron,

To me "stable pattern of inorganic values" means inorganic SPoVs that 
are very established culturally.  I cannot think of SPoVs as anything 
but conceptual.  SPoVs are known (conceptual (value)), phenomenon is 
direct experience (value) until a recognized pattern.

Ron:
Thats the way I see it too Marsha. SPoV are conceptual understandings about
dynamic quality.