[MD] The Menu/Reality issue

[MarshaV]

At 12:10 PM 11/12/2008, you wrote:





> >Ron:
> >The last post on this particular problem for today, I swear.
> >
> >When Pirsig wrote:
> >*) LILA:
> >    This problem of trying to describe value in terms of substance
> >    has been the problem of a smaller container trying to contain a
> >    larger one.  Value is not a subspecies of substance.
> >    Substance is a subspecies of value. When you reverse the
> >    containment process and define substance in terms of value
> >    the mystery disappears: substance is a "stable pattern of
> >    inorganic values."  The problem then disappears.  The world of
> >    objects and the world of values is unified.
> >
> >He mistakenly gave the impression of a meta-objectivism. which contradicts
> >the statement of Value or Quality (ultimate reality) as being indefineable.
> >
> >By stating that substance IS a "stable pattern of inorganic values"
> >He unwittingly alludes to a meta-objectivists view. When the remainder
> >of his Metaphysic states that substance is an intellectual pattern
> >ABOUT  "stable patterns of inorganic values".
>
>Ron,
>
>To me "stable pattern of inorganic values" means inorganic SPoVs that
>are very established culturally.  I cannot think of SPoVs as anything
>but conceptual.  SPoVs are known (conceptual (value)), phenomenon is
>direct experience (value) until a recognized pattern.
>
>Ron:
>Thats the way I see it too Marsha. SPoV are conceptual understandings about
>dynamic quality.


Ron,

It is great to think you see patterns as conceptual too.  Really 
great!!!   Thanks for responding.

Marsha






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