[MD] Trance state

[ml]

Ian,

Almost as if SOM need a metaphysical exoskelleton
and MOQ grows tree-like with the tension and flex
built of itself...

thanks--mel


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ian Glendinning" <ian.glendinning at gmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Trance state


> Craig, I know you don't see that with the MoQ there is no gap, that's
> my point. The gaps are a feature of SOMism.
> 
> Only in SOMism do we think of "a metaphysics" as an object to be
> defined distinct from reality.
> 
> I think your allegory is stretching the metaphysical point, But, in
> the same way as in the poem you cite, the poetry and the tree are the
> same reality, the real "trophy" in winning a tournament is the quality
> (joy) of winning .... if it's winning that you value; there are of
> course other joys to be had in participating. The silver-plated tin
> thing is an object, a token in the SOMist world.
> 
> Ian
> 
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 2:31 AM,  <craigerb at comcast.net> wrote:
> > "I think that I will never see
> >  A poem as lovely as a tree."
> > (Joyce Kilmer)
> >
> > [ian]
> >>  SOMist gap between a metaphysics and the
> >> world it describes
> >> The gap means
> >> SOMism fails, when it comes to metaphysics.
> >
> > The MoQ might be a better explanation/description
> > of reality than SOM, but I don't see how the MoQ
> > eliminates the gap, as you require a successful
> > metaphysics to do.
> > It's like the alleged "gap" between the joy of
> > winning the World Cup & the World Cup trophy.
> > Craig
> >
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